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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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If I was gonna be nitpicky, I'd say Admiral Marcus' plan was a little weird. What was the point in putting all the augments into torpedoes? Did he plan for Kirk to fire them at Kronos and detonate them? Or were they going to land on Kronos and cause havoc there? I know Marcus was going to destroy the Enterprise regardless of what happened on Kronos, but still....

Also was kinda hoping for a little more pew pew, it was just the Vengeance owning the Enterprise and that was it. No other Starfleet ships within range of Earth?!

When has there ever been a starship near in Earth in a trek movie?

"We're the only ship in the QUADRANT."- James Kirk TWOK

Haha, I guess it does make sense because even in TNG they only had that shitty Mars defense line to try stop The Borg which was about 3 shuttles. I'm just hoping to see something like First Contact, but with an even bigger budget.

I saw it. I'm still buzzing far too much to form coherent sentences about it.

Here's what I didn't like:
Spock's "KHAAAAAN!" which was unbelievably awful. The reverse Wrath of Khan was a nice idea, but Kirk's miraculous revival right afterward made it feel cheap.

What I did like: EVERYTHING ELSE. Bring on the next one!

I agree, it was a little too parodyish even though looking back I didn't mind it.
 
But because it was such a blatant re-creation of that specific scene, it was difficult for me to NOT think about it :/ I got there eventually though, sort of, and it's why I want to go see it again- to try and force myself, now that I know what to expect, to NOT compare it to WoK :)

Is it any different to ST:TMP being a remake of "The Changeling"?

As a Trek newbie in December 1979, I had absolutely no idea of the storyline of "The Changeling", but for most TOS fans of the day, the blatant remake (without any of the characters remembering Nomad) was inexcusable. But movies based on TV shows aren't made for the small percentage of diehard fans who'll be in attendance - and the general public don't usually notice.

Ditto the approach of a probe in ST IV, only two movies after TMP featured the approach of a probe - and then the Klingons firing on one in ST V!
 
I loved all the fanwankiness.

I tried to explain it to my Star Trek hating husband and son. They just said 'Stop the nerd talk' and thought it was good - better than expected, better than any of the other Star Trek movies :rolleyes:

Nimoy is so cool!
 
Given the "bromance" part of the story and Spock still dealing with his emotions and the loss of his mother and Vulcan, Spock's primal shout of, "Khaaaaan!" is far more appropriate than Kirk's was in TWOK. It's the straw that broke the camel's back. First his mom and Vulcan, and now Kirk? No wonder he goes on a tirade.

The thing that's too bad is so many folks only think of, "Khaaaaaaaan," as some sort of joke. It almost always gets snickers, now. More people probably remember Costanza yelling it on "Seinfeld" than remember it from TWOK.

To me, Spock yelling it seems like it would be one of the most emotionally poignant parts of the movie. It doesn't deserve comparison to the cheesy version, even if the writers invited it. There's far more gravitas this time. It's sincere. It conveys true pain and loathing.
yeah, like I said in my original post about it - once I could ignore my brain going 'THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM WOK AND SHATNER AND KHAAAAAN' I honestly felt like ZQ, and the movie, sold it. (particularly, like you said, because they'd built up his trouble with loss stemming from vulcan, and his family, and not wanting to experience that again). But because it was such a blatant re-creation of that specific scene, it was difficult for me to NOT think about it :/ I got there eventually though, sort of, and it's why I want to go see it again- to try and force myself, now that I know what to expect, to NOT compare it to WoK :)


Kirk's KHAAAAN in TWOK made no sense. he knew he was just buying time for Spock to repair the enterprise and beam them out in 2 hours. Was that just theatrics to fool khan into thinking he didnt have that ace up his sleave?

Yes. Kirk's shout was pure theatrics. He wasn't aware they'd get to hang out in the area Marcus created, but he knew Spock and the Enterprise would be back, soon.
It also opened up one of the biggest plot holes I thought TWOK had. How could Khan and his superior intellect ever believe he really stranded Kirk? (Buried alive, buried alive, buried alive.) He really thought no one would come looking for Kirk? Ever? Eh. Maybe his thinking was being clouded by going crazy.
 
If I was gonna be nitpicky, I'd say Admiral Marcus' plan was a little weird. What was the point in putting all the augments into torpedoes? Did he plan for Kirk to fire them at Kronos and detonate them? Or were they going to land on Kronos and cause havoc there? I know Marcus was going to destroy the Enterprise regardless of what happened on Kronos, but still....

Khan put his people into those torpedoes, not Marcus.
 
If I was gonna be nitpicky, I'd say Admiral Marcus' plan was a little weird. What was the point in putting all the augments into torpedoes? Did he plan for Kirk to fire them at Kronos and detonate them? Or were they going to land on Kronos and cause havoc there? I know Marcus was going to destroy the Enterprise regardless of what happened on Kronos, but still....

Khan put his people into those torpedoes, not Marcus.

Oh, that makes more sense.
 
Sorry if I appear a bit thick but did Admiral Marcus know Khans guys were in the torpedoes and why did Khan think his people were dead when he put them in there?

Maybe I'll watch it more carefully next time I see it
 
I saw it. I'm still buzzing far too much to form coherent sentences about it.

Here's what I didn't like:
Spock's "KHAAAAAN!" which was unbelievably awful. The reverse Wrath of Khan was a nice idea, but Kirk's miraculous revival right afterward made it feel cheap.

What I did like: EVERYTHING ELSE. Bring on the next one!

Ugh. I knew that was a bad idea. :(
 
Sorry if I appear a bit thick but did Admiral Marcus know Khans guys were in the torpedoes and why did Khan think his people were dead when he put them in there?

Maybe I'll watch it more carefully next time I see it

I'm not sure on the Admiral Marcus part tbh.

He didn't think they were dead though, but when Spock blows them all up he thinks they are. Bones takes the cryotubes out without his knowledge.
 
Great Gatsby: 38% fresh
Iron Man 77% fresh
Oblivion: 56% fresh
The Croods: 69% fresh

STID after 44 reviews: 89% fresh
 
I forgot to mention this in my earlier post - I really liked the redesign of the engine room. The warp core looks very much like something you'd see in a physics research institute, e.g. the LHC or some of the large plasma physics projects. It's dangerousness came across pretty well, too. Loved how it looked inside, too.
 
I noticed Chris Hemsworth in the credits as George Kirk. Any idea where he was? I heard a few soundbytes from the first movie when Kirk was brought back to life, but I don't recall any from him.
 
I loved the first film ST09 despite some significant plot holes. I was more a TNG fan and liked those films (well the one with the Borg anyway) but was never really a TOS fan. Only film I like in the series was the 4th one.

Anyway I had no expectations for ST09 like a lot of people and it was really good. I hadn't been following any news about it on the internet.

Maybe some true trek fans couldn't get used to seeing new faces as their favourite character but not being a dedicated TOS fan, this was not an issue for me. I have seen the other movies though so know the plots.

Which is why this was was disappointing. There is no originality. Why couldn't they come up with a new villain? A guy I used work with is a huge Star Trek fan and has been trying to avoid spoilers so the identity of the villain was a surprise to him and he thought exactly the same thing I did. I don't mind seeing characters like Khan even in a minor role but not the main villain again please.

Special effects great but the story could have been a bit more cerebral - or a lot more and you could still have plenty of action.

Plus as I've said before I was hoping Pike didn't die. I wouldn't even have minded so much if it was essential to the plot but I think Kirk getting into trouble, demoted, Pike saving/choosing him again was like the first film all over again. Plus I think the plot was forced to get Kirk to be captain just like in ST09.

Again maybe because my expectations were so high I was a bit disappointed. A friend who doesn't like Star Trek at all even knew who Khan was so was wondering why he was in it 30 odd years later? She asked was the actor not too old!?:lol:

Plus bringing Kirk back?

I thought Abrahms said there was no poing in re-hashing old Star Trek films or words to that effect?

It's a good film but I don't think it will be in anybody's top ten
 
I noticed Chris Hemsworth in the credits as George Kirk. Any idea where he was? I heard a few soundbytes from the first movie when Kirk was brought back to life, but I don't recall any from him.

I'm pretty sure it was just in that moment.

I did find it funny how oddly placed Leonard Nimoy's name was in the credits. :lol:
 
Great Gatsby: 38% fresh
Iron Man 77% fresh
Oblivion: 56% fresh
The Croods: 69% fresh

STID after 44 reviews: 89% fresh

Obviously a good thing. Although it does bear mentioning that, after about the same number of reviews, Iron Man 3 had been sitting at about 93%. It took a bit of a tumble, as you can see.

Still though, very much looking forward to it opening here.
 
I noticed Chris Hemsworth in the credits as George Kirk. Any idea where he was? I heard a few soundbytes from the first movie when Kirk was brought back to life, but I don't recall any from him.

I'm pretty sure it was just in that moment.
Ah, thanks. I'll keep an ear out when I see it again
I did find it funny how oddly placed Leonard Nimoy's name was in the credits. :lol:
I missed his name totally.:p
 
Kirk's KHAAAAN in TWOK made no sense. he knew he was just buying time for Spock to repair the enterprise and beam them out in 2 hours. Was that just theatrics to fool khan into thinking he didnt have that ace up his sleave?

Yes. Kirk's shout was pure theatrics. He wasn't aware they'd get to hang out in the area Marcus created, but he knew Spock and the Enterprise would be back, soon.

Is it possible that the present filmmakers didn't catch on to that? Admittedly it's possible to miss it when first seeing TWoK, at least if you first saw it with a boisterous audience during premier weekend in 1982. Maybe if Shatner had winked at the camera after doing it...
 
I noticed Chris Hemsworth in the credits as George Kirk. Any idea where he was? I heard a few soundbytes from the first movie when Kirk was brought back to life, but I don't recall any from him.

I'm pretty sure it was just in that moment.
Ah, thanks. I'll keep an ear out when I see it again
I did find it funny how oddly placed Leonard Nimoy's name was in the credits. :lol:
I missed his name totally.:p

I almost did as I was reaching down to pick up my coat, but my friend pointed it out.
 
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