STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Therin of Andor]

Why did he specifically have to be Khan, though? Would the film have really been missing anything if he wasn't?

FACT: If the writers had made this an original villain, a very large group of Trekkers would now be screaming:

"Missed opportunity! Imagine if this had have been Khan instead! We could have seen how this timeline's Kirk and Spock would have handled him!!!!! Orci & Kurtzman - the coward fools! - weren't brave enough to tackle Star Trek's finest, most well-known villain. He is the equivalent to Joker in the Batman comics and movies!"

No-win scenario.

 

[Kruezerman]

Why did he specifically have to be Khan, though? Would the film have really been missing anything if he wasn't?

FACT: If the writers had made this an original villain, a very large group of Trekkers would now be screaming:

"Missed opportunity! Imagine if this had have been Khan instead! We could have seen how this timeline's Kirk and Spock would have handled him!!!!! Orci & Kurtzman - the coward fools! - weren't brave enough to tackle Star Trek's finest, most well-known villain. He is the equivalent to Joker in the Batman comics and movies!"

No-win scenario.

Kobayashi Maru.

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

I'm glad the spoilers have put me off seeing it? Means I've saved a chunk of money and time.

Oh, please, don't act like reading the spoilers finally tipped the scales for you. You've been way too invested in your persona here to contend that you had an open mind about the movie up until this point. You've spent too much time and energy ranting about the movie you haven't seen yet, Abrams, the writers, and the fans to turn back now.

It's been perfectly obvious how you were going to react to the movie for months now:

1) Complain endlessly and irrationally for months in threads discussing the movie you knew little about and insult anyone who is a fan of the previous film and who might enjoy this one.

2) Pick an important moment to grandstand in a thread about the movie and self-righteously announce that you aren't going to waste your money on this abomination like all the Abrams sheeple and that you were no longer going to post here.

3) Pay to go see the movie in theaters so you can know the details enough to argue about it despite promising you wouldn't go see it and that you would stay away from the discussions.

4) Never admit that you paid to see the movie, and instead proudly insist that you saw a bootleg of the film at a "friend's house" so that you can claim to argue from authority, brag about not paying, and still not feel guilty about stealing because it wasn't you, it was "a friend."

5) ???

6) Profit!!!

A Wrath of Khan blockbuster pastiche set on Earth and featuring magic blood?

Again, how is regenerative properties in Augment blood more implausible than a magical light up dildo that creates entire habitable planets out of dust and brings Spock back from the dead? The transformative properties of Augment DNA have already been established in prior canon on Enterprise. Deal with it.

How retarded do they think the audience is exactly?

You know, I would be fine with you guys having a negative opinion about the films if you just restricted it to that. But you always have to take it that one extra step and insult the intelligence of the fans who have a different opinion from you, and that's why you're so insufferable.

Plus, "retarded," really? Stay classy.

Star Trek on film is fucking dead to me now. I'll be staying out of this section and focusing on Trek literature to take my minds off this jizz-covered shit. Anti-intellectualism is dangerous and entirely uncool.

See you in a few weeks after you see the "bootleg" at your "friend's house" and predictably return to tell us how despite your total open mindedness the movie is a complete piece of shit just like you've said it would be all along. Abrams' "slimy face" will enjoy spending the money that you said you wouldn't spend on seeing the movie.

I think my girlfriend has a magic light up dildo, didn't know I could use it to create planets!!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, maybe she can. But it's probably for something else.

Let's wait and see what Paramount's folks start telling industry press about their opening weekend expectation - they'll lowball it. If they really hope and think there's a chance to make 85 opening weekend, they'll say 75.

 

[Therin of Andor]

So...it sounds fantastic, but I have one question and it's kinda silly:

Spoiler: Admiral Marcus

So Marcus dies by getting his head crushed, it's not too bloody is it? I'm taking my sister to see it and we both kinda have a problem with blood.

Spoiler: Admiral Marcus

They zero in on his daughter, screaming: ie. the trailer! It's an "aha!" moment for those in the audience who've seen the trailers.

I think my girlfriend has a magic light up dildo, didn't know I could use it to create planets!!

Just put it in Uranus.

 

[Therin of Andor]

somebody answered that they weren't distracting but present. I just think we're all getting used to them! Horrors!

Actually, most of them are tiny, winky little things. In 3D!

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Kurtzman and Orci get to write the new Star Wars Christmas special.

Awesome reference. Hopefully complete with the stormtrooper watching the dancing girl.

 

[Therin of Andor]

GIVE ME KEENSER SPOILERS NOW.

Spoiler: Scotty says

"Don't sit there looking at me like an oyster!"

(paraphrased - it was funny!)

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

So...it sounds fantastic, but I have one question and it's kinda silly:

Spoiler: Admiral Marcus

So Marcus dies by getting his head crushed, it's not too bloody is it? I'm taking my sister to see it and we both kinda have a problem with blood.

Spoiler: Admiral Marcus

They zero in on his daughter, screaming: ie. the trailer! It's an "aha!" moment for those in the audience who've seen the trailers.

I think my girlfriend has a magic light up dildo, didn't know I could use it to create planets!!

Just put it in Uranus.

No that's where I put the protomatter

 

[M'Sharak]

GIVE ME KEENSER SPOILERS NOW.

Spoiler: KEENSER IS...

...TALLER IN THIS MOVIE!

If I put my critical viewing cap on, I'd say there have been two very good (TWOK, 09), three good (TVH, TUC, First Contact), four mediocre (TMP, TSFS, Generations, Insurrection) and two bad (TFF, Nemesis) Trek films--my general criteria being in comparison to similar kinds of films with similar kinds of ambitions.

That's not so different from another assessment I remember reading, back before the last movie came out:

I'm going to commit heresy right now and say what few people are willing to say out loud: most of the Star Trek movies are absolute garbage. There have been ten Trek movies, and I'd say that two of them are accessible to mainstream audiences, another two are great, and the remaining six are nearly unwatchable. If JJ Abrams wants to make his new Trek movie unlike the 80% of Trek movies that aren't that good, that's just fine with me.

 

[indranee]

In retrospect TSFS is not a very good movie; it's interstitial. It's among the worst written of the features, but Nimoy works well with the cast.

I like STFS because of the Enterprise crew interaction. Some great scenes, one liners in there. Plus, the whole bit about You Klingon bastards... probably the best ad lib ever in Trek

 

[WarpFactorZ]

In retrospect TSFS is not a very good movie; it's interstitial. It's among the worst written of the features, but Nimoy works well with the cast.

I like STFS because of the Enterprise crew interaction. Some great scenes, one liners in there. Plus, the whole bit about You Klingon bastards... probably the best ad lib ever in Trek

TSFS was excellent because of the crew interaction. It really highlighted their history and devotion to each other. Furthermore, it was the first time in the Trek universe that we really got a glimpse of our heroes out of uniform. Kirk has a condo. He has hobbies (collecting guns). McCoy goes to bars. etc.... They're people just like us. That (literally) brought TOS down to Earth in a similar way that "Family" did for TNG, and ST09 did retrospectively.

 

[mattman8907]

Why did he specifically have to be Khan, though? Would the film have really been missing anything if he wasn't?

FACT: If the writers had made this an original villain, a very large group of Trekkers would now be screaming:

"Missed opportunity! Imagine if this had have been Khan instead! We could have seen how this timeline's Kirk and Spock would have handled him!!!!! Orci & Kurtzman - the coward fools! - weren't brave enough to tackle Star Trek's finest, most well-known villain. He is the equivalent to Joker in the Batman comics and movies!"

No-win scenario.

hallelujah, somebody finally said what needed to be said. and i agree with you Therin.

 

[Deck 1 - Bridge]

Why did he specifically have to be Khan, though? Would the film have really been missing anything if he wasn't?

FACT: If the writers had made this an original villain, a very large group of Trekkers would now be screaming:

"Missed opportunity! Imagine if this had have been Khan instead! We could have seen how this timeline's Kirk and Spock would have handled him!!!!! Orci & Kurtzman - the coward fools! - weren't brave enough to tackle Star Trek's finest, most well-known villain. He is the equivalent to Joker in the Batman comics and movies!"

No-win scenario.

hallelujah, somebody finally said what needed to be said. and i agree with you Therin.

Agreed, the kind of Trek that these people like isn't the kind of Trek that anyone else wants and the fact of the matter is that where it was shown that Trek died on it's arse and got cancelled repeatedly in both the TV and movie sense, Trek is now alive and moving on in a spectacular fashion because JJ got people interested again.

I'd go futher, I'd round up all these miserable excuses for fans who do nothing but bitch about every little detail like the Sheldon Cooper's that they are and put them in a big chamber and pump it full of water until the noise stopped.

Perhaps they can put jerk off watching Spock's Brain or whatever episode gives them a litte stiffy.

 

[Therin of Andor]

TSFS was excellent because of the crew interaction. It really highlighted their history and devotion to each other.

Dare I say that the character interactions in "Star Trek Into Darkness" are also excellent.

 

[Sparky]

I'd go futher, I'd round up all these miserable excuses for fans who do nothing but bitch about every little detail like the Sheldon Cooper's that they are and put them in a big chamber and pump it full of water until the noise stopped.

Perhaps they can put jerk off watching Spock's Brain or whatever episode gives them a litte stiffy.

Yeah....No.

 

[Captrek]

So...it sounds fantastic, but I have one question and it's kinda silly:

Spoiler: Admiral Marcus

So Marcus dies by getting his head crushed, it's not too bloody is it? I'm taking my sister to see it and we both kinda have a problem with blood.

Spoiler: Admiral Marcus

They zero in on his daughter, screaming: ie. the trailer! It's an "aha!" moment for those in the audience who've seen the trailers.

Spoiler: 3D

I was hoping to see chunks of bone and brain fly out of the screen at me.

 

[Sparky]

Spoiler: 3D

I was hoping to see chunks of bone and brain fly out of the screen at me.

Ah, hoping for a good use of the 3D glasses.

 

[M'Sharak]

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I'd go futher, I'd round up all these miserable excuses for fans who do nothing but bitch about every little detail like the Sheldon Cooper's that they are and put them in a big chamber and pump it full of water until the noise stopped.

Perhaps they can put jerk off watching Spock's Brain or whatever episode gives them a litte stiffy.

Let's just say you shouldn't go further. Try keeping it about the movie instead, or maybe about reactions to the movie. Leave the other fans (and what you might like to do to them) out of it; that sort of thing really is out of place here.

 

[Deck 1 - Bridge]

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I'd go futher, I'd round up all these miserable excuses for fans who do nothing but bitch about every little detail like the Sheldon Cooper's that they are and put them in a big chamber and pump it full of water until the noise stopped.

Perhaps they can put jerk off watching Spock's Brain or whatever episode gives them a litte stiffy.

Let's just say you shouldn't go further. Try keeping it about the movie instead, or maybe about reactions to the movie. Leave the other fans (and what you might like to do to them) out of it; that sort of thing really is out of place here.

Well you're the moderator so you'll set the tone as you see fit.

I assume you didn't get around, just yet, to moderating your fellow BBS moderator who, several pages back, accused a fellow forumite of supporting, if not committing, motion picture piracy? I presume it's ok to flame people if you're a mod here?

I won't hold my breath, I watched your moderation of this forum as a long time lurker, and its appalling frankly.