Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.
Well, okay then, thank you. How strange that I don't recollect that...
Oh, ye gods, I forgot about the exercising. "Hey Beverly, let's push ourselves as close as we can to one another, and do short, meaningless stretches that accomplish nothing at all except to make it look like we might have sex."
I mean, look how practical they are! They don't enhance certain portions of the body at all!
I'm sure TrekCore's blu-ray screencaps has a whole page of that "exercise".
I don't remember what they were talking about, though. Was it just girls, being girls, and not talking about men? If so, would that make it pass the letter of the law of The Bechdel Test, despite the gratuitousness of it?
I think that scene is from "The Host" and they were talking about Beverly wanting to get banged by Odan. IIRC.
It was from "The Price", the episode where Troi has a fling with a diplomat. I even reinserted music Ron Jones made for that scene that Berman rejected. Apparently there's no such thing as exercising with music in the 24th century. Still, the music adds a feverish quality to the scene.
I could swear "The Host" has a similar scene. I must be getting old.
Well, they are both about a crew member who have a fling with a mysterious diplomat that hides a secret.
The Host is in the Salon/Spa, I believe. (There's a reminiscence of the "Madge: You're soaking in it" commercial, I think)
Ah, OK, they were talking about a man, so forget the irony I was thinking of.
Python, please remember to use an image-sharing account to host your pictures so that you're not using TrekCore's bandwidth, 'K?
I interrupt my three-page parenthetical discussion about underwear just to point out that I was NOT double-dipped. I refused to buy the exploitative retailer releases. If the Compendium was not released, I never would have purchased STID. Ever. I wish others would stand the same ground against manipulative studios.
Also, the Compendium release might NOT have happened had Bill Hunt at DigitalBits.com not made such a strong case to Paramount about how badly they handled the initial release and what they should do to fix it. I'm as cynical as anyone else about studios, but I do not believe they planned on Compendium as a double-dip release. It was produced in response to fan complaints AND they offered a rebate to those who purchased the original release.
Yeah, five whole dollars. Whoop-de-doo.
Five dollars can be a lot of money when your budget for entertainment is tight. I'm not really upset by the double dipping, but I fully understand why people would be annoyed by it.
Serves you right for buying into it, if you did. But what would you do if you ran Paramount? I would suggest that a rational answer to that over one that is flippant will have the most credibility.
Indeed. I don't see many movies and buy even less, but I also don't begrudge companies doing marketing campaigns. Regardless of the "double dipping" I have bought Theatrical releases and then extended releases of several films.
Star Wars has done it for years, so the only reason why Paramount got the backlash that it did was because of the usual extra features were spread out over different regions.
Again, 5 bucks is 5 bucks but I really won't hold it against Paramount, either way.
Exactly. I know for some it wasn't the double dipping, it was the making features available on only one specific media, so that if you didn't own a player for that media, you didn't get any of the neat stuff.
Still, I like to wait a few months before buying a DVD for a popular movie, because I know there's likely to be a SE release in the near future.
You're absolutely right -- fandom needs more consumers like you who won't pay for things like the intial release. I think if Paramount didn't know beyond the shadow of a doubt that there was a large contingent of completist fans with money to spend out there who would buy up anything with the words Star Trek emblazoned across it, they probably would have handled the situation better.
Bill Hunt at the Digtial Bits is a douche. Good on him for doing his damn job, but Paramount had every right to release whatever the hell they wanted to when they put out Into Darkness the first time around. They could have put a piece of cardboard in a DVD snapcase, slapped the Into Darkness logo on it with a little note in the fine print that said "This is just a piece of cardboard, nothing else", and offered it for sale and they'd still be well within their rights because it's their property to do with as they please. Nobody here is entitled to some uber-release of the film just because it's something we want, nor was it some huge human-rights victory because Bill Hunt gets credit for championing the cause.
That said, it is great that Hunt thought enough of the fans to communicate to Paramount how displeased fandom was, but I don't for a second believe that the Star Trek Compendium release was put out solely in response to how unhappy everyone was with the first edition of the Star Trek Into Darkness release. It was just another opportunity for Paramount to make some money off the fans, plain and simple. That it also came with the good PR of (hopefully) repairing whatever damage may have been done considering fandom's goodwill was secondary to the whole situation.
Still a better Star Trek film than Nemesis.
Well said. I may not agree with all of it, but there is little I could add. I just want to quote it for effect.
Secondly, the attitude towards studios is a double edged sword, it seems. On the one hand, I see the common opinion that studios are little more than money guzzling peddlers who use familiar franchises to make more money. On the other hand, there is still an audience out there that will buy the cardboard with Star Trek on it, ensuring steady income stream for the studios that will be trashed on the Internet the next day.
To be perfectly honest, I do not envy the studios (any of the them) at all. They are in an untenable situation with technology advancing rapidly, piracy increasing daily, and a market that is capricious, at best.
Faced with that, I'd double dip too!!!
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