STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]
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You wanted him to drop silver glitter down a tube of light?
The transporter effect changed radically from "The Cage" to TOS to TMP to the later movies. And you complain about one more change?
Therin and Danni at ST II gala premiere by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
Captain Therin at ST II gala premiere by Therin of Andor, on Flickr
I love the Harry Plinket "reviews" on Red Letter Media, but their regular "Half In The Bag" series of reviews is like a demented Siskel and Ebert in that they are actual reviews in the more traditional sense, along with an ongoing subplot of "wackiness"...
I thought the "half in the Bag" review pretty much covered alot of the same problems I had with the film.
I wish the film hadn't been so dumb and lowest-common denominator.
I wish the film hadn't been so dumb and lowest-common denominator.
Maybe somewhere down the road they'll remake The Motion Picture and drive a stake through the heart of the franchise. Then everyone can be happy...
Maybe somewhere down the road they'll remake The Motion Picture and drive a stake through the heart of the franchise. Then everyone can be happy...
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
Maybe somewhere down the road they'll remake The Motion Picture and drive a stake through the heart of the franchise. Then everyone can be happy...
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
I'm sure Red Letter Media can explain it to you.
After watching the Red Letter Media review, I enjoyed their discussion. I still greatly enjoyed the movie though, and somehow enjoyed their review. Unlike the bickering that is going on in their comments section for that review.
I enjoy that things are a lot more civil here than elsewhere about these subjects (comics, sci-fi, super hero movies, etc).
As far as their discussions on "needless" fan service: I enjoy the nods. To the casual movie-goer, they don't register as such. But if you are a long time fan, they are there for our "enjoyment". Section 31? That's fun to hear, didn't mean a damn to the people I went with who didn't know it's history, they just went along with "secret organization". Such references did not take them out of the story. Tribbles and old starship models and mentions of "Mudd' are fine.
Now, is the inclusion of Harrison "fan service"? That is a debatable point. In this case, does the weight of his identity carry over if you don't know the history? I say no, but if a casual Trek fan is going to know any bad guy, Khan would be the one. However, for younger and/or less informed people watching this movie, I don't think enough background was given on what Khan was or what he and his crew represented. In this case, JJ was wrong, you did need to know Trek to fully "appreciate" the inclusion.
I enjoy that things are a lot more civil here than elsewhere about these subjects (comics, sci-fi, super hero movies, etc).
As far as their discussions on "needless" fan service: I enjoy the nods. To the casual movie-goer, they don't register as such. But if you are a long time fan, they are there for our "enjoyment". Section 31? That's fun to hear, didn't mean a damn to the people I went with who didn't know it's history, they just went along with "secret organization". Such references did not take them out of the story. Tribbles and old starship models and mentions of "Mudd' are fine.
Now, is the inclusion of Harrison "fan service"? That is a debatable point. In this case, does the weight of his identity carry over if you don't know the history? I say no, but if a casual Trek fan is going to know any bad guy, Khan would be the one. However, for younger and/or less informed people watching this movie, I don't think enough background was given on what Khan was or what he and his crew represented. In this case, JJ was wrong, you did need to know Trek to fully "appreciate" the inclusion.
I think it would have been better for JJ Abrams and his staff to write a story with an original villain in the Star Trek mythos. This "fan service" backfired: most people wouldn't catch the references who weren't familiar with the mythos and, for some of those who were familiar, these references reminded them, what was for them, of a better film.
And, I keep harping on this. This is the third film in a row with a revenge seeking character. I think it would have been better if there was a different type of character.
And, I keep harping on this. This is the third film in a row with a revenge seeking character. I think it would have been better if there was a different type of character.
Thank you for your detailed rebuttal to my review. I am honored that someone would not only take the time to read it but to put more effort into the reply than my original review. You kinda convinced me to your way of thinking and that maybe I remembered the movie wrong.
But I still say --
The colors are mostly all unnatural.
The score was forgettable (everyone can hum starwars, raiders and even the star trek tv shows music).
The new Enterprise set looks too clinical.
The Kirk/Spock goodbye scene was way way too corny.
McCoy said, "I'm a doctor not an Engineer" too many times. I thought he said it three times in the movie. If not then maybe the way it was used made it feel that it was too much.
And the new transporter effect was too drasticly changed. The changes seen in the other movies were okay because technology advanced. This movie is still in the days of young Kirk and Spock.
But I still say --
The colors are mostly all unnatural.
The score was forgettable (everyone can hum starwars, raiders and even the star trek tv shows music).
The new Enterprise set looks too clinical.
The Kirk/Spock goodbye scene was way way too corny.
McCoy said, "I'm a doctor not an Engineer" too many times. I thought he said it three times in the movie. If not then maybe the way it was used made it feel that it was too much.
And the new transporter effect was too drasticly changed. The changes seen in the other movies were okay because technology advanced. This movie is still in the days of young Kirk and Spock.
I agree with you.
My husband who knows a little bit about TOS couldn't remember who Khan was from TWOK. I don't think he'd match up Montalban with Cumberbatch. He asked me why he was so powerful. How come he could beat up Spock? Was he alien or something?
Like your friends he was OK with everything else.
And my family were humming the 'forgetable' theme after the movie waiting for the car
Honestly, I'm only 15 minutes in and it's an unusually flawed review.
Mike is unusually quiet and Rich kinda defends it, but Rich just seems to be ripping into it but gave a pass on a bunch of other shit movies.
Finished.
What an awful review, seriously. You can sum it up with "It's not Star Trek TNG".
Mike is unusually quiet and Rich kinda defends it, but Rich just seems to be ripping into it but gave a pass on a bunch of other shit movies.
Finished.
What an awful review, seriously. You can sum it up with "It's not Star Trek TNG".
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I saw the film again today. My only real gripe with the film the first time around was Kirk's death scene aping WoK, and while I still don't think it was a good idea, it wasn't quite so distracting. Knowing what was coming, I didn't have the thought process of "Surely they won't do this...oh no, they can't be doing this..." taking me out of the film completely.
Decent turnout for a film in its 3rd week of screening too.
Decent turnout for a film in its 3rd week of screening too.
I'm being approached by friends who know I'm a diehard fan, and they want to tell me their thoughts on STiD. They've only seen ST (2009) and now STiD, had scant knowledge of who Khan was, but still loved the new movie! Had they been confused, I'd agree with your assertion. But they had no questions about Khan or his motivations.
To fully appreciate the movie, you did need knowledge of the franchise. The keyword is fully, every person I've seen it with had either a passing knowledge of no knowledge but still greatly enjoyed it. However if you knew who S31 was, knew who Khan was, knew the show in general it is going to be more enjoyable. Nothing wrong with that, I know Batman fans who enjoyed Begins far more than me as they had read the comics.
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