Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Agent Richard07, Apr 18, 2013.


Grade the movie...

  1. A+

  2. A

  3. A-

  4. B+

  5. B

  6. B-

  7. C+

  8. C

  9. C-

  10. D+

  11. D

  12. D-

  13. F

  1. Amaris

    Amaris Abiding Eos Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    See, that just makes sense to me, too. Having weapons only in the fore or aft of the ship is silly, and leaves much of your ship unprotected.
  2. borgmatrix

    borgmatrix Ensign Newbie

    May 14, 2013
    If Khan's dead, there's no longer any reason to hold anything over him.

    Marcus probably saw this as a way of getting rid of all evidence in one fell swoop. He likely wasn't certain what he wanted to do with the augments, but with Harrison/Khan getting more out of control, and opportunity presenting itself with Kirk wanting to go after Khan and kill him, Marcus probably saw it as a chance to wash his hands of all of this before it got worse.
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  3. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    IF one survived and the Klingons revived him/her.. Klingons would have a lot of fun with that.

    I agree about the washing his hands of it, getting rid of evidence.
  4. Goji

    Goji Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 6, 2006
    I loved it. Liked the last one, but thought this was a substantial improvement. I'm not sure how I'd rate it versus the original Khan movie. Honestly, at this point, comparing them feels too much like apples and oranges to me.

    I liked that the whole movie wasn't Kirk against Khan. The simplistic and frankly boring nature of Nero was my biggest problem with the last movie. Peter Weller and Cumberbatch both did a fantastic job and the roles were written well. I thought the Kronos section of the movie was the best part and I hope we see more of the Klingons in the next movie.

    If I have to complain about something, and it's the internet so I think that's a given, I will single out the uniforms of the Vengeance crew as being atypically ugly for a movie with such a beautiful production design. A minor gripe to be sure but I thought they were genuinely unattractive. The Klingon ships weren't exactly memorable looking and the only place where I clearly prefer the older designs, but I liked them okay.

    I'll be going again this weekend, more than likely. For the record, I chose to see the movie in 2D.
  5. Chu'lak

    Chu'lak Lieutenant

    Apr 24, 2013
    With the Five YEar Mission fully underway, they need to find a strange energy based type aliens like we are used to.

    I am dead serious, Star Trek 3 would make an awesome remake of Errand of Mercy....
  6. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    OH god no. Energy based aliens, blech.

    How about some Adorians now that they look so fab!
  7. Chu'lak

    Chu'lak Lieutenant

    Apr 24, 2013
    Face it, we've done rough and tumble War Trek, now we need either an energy being testing the crew, or a sentient computer that Kirk can talk into committing suicide.
  8. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Aug 22, 2002
    Terra Inlandia
  9. Titus Andronicus

    Titus Andronicus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 22, 2004
    Augusta, GA
    I don't know if the next film will be just one of these themes, but I can certainly see them starting it with the crew in the middle of one of these situations, like the opening on Nibiru.
  10. Amaris

    Amaris Abiding Eos Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    Just to say this again, I loved the opening on Nibiru. To me, it felt like pure TOS all the way. :lol:
  11. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Admiral Admiral

    Feb 12, 2011
    Taking up space
    Just got back. I really, really liked it. No major complaints whatsoever. It has its wonky moments, but no more than any other Star Trek film, and fewer than most of them.

    The riffing from TWOK was nowhere near as bad as the detractors are making it out to be. Based on what I've read online, I expected literally a precise line by line rehash, which it was not. In fact, I really loved Kirk's death scene, and I loved nuSpock's KHAAAAN.

    I absolutely loved what they did with brewgineering and the warp core. I loved the broadside torpedo tubes.

    I loved McCoy's medical uniforms with the red cross insignia.

    Carol Marcus makes a brilliant addition to the crew.

    There were so many things I loved about the film.

    Three of the biggest problems were (based on my first impression of the film):

    1. Where was the Klingon defense force? Was it the destruction of Praxis that depopulated part of Kronos and hobbled their ability to adequately defend their borders? If the film answered that out loud, then I missed it the first time around. I would have preferred that it directly address those issues, especially given that the Klingons were being set up as an existential danger to the Federation. Saying whether the Klingons were a threat because they'd been pressured by the loss of Praxis, and saying whether that really was what's left of Praxis, might have been helpful, too.

    2. Scotty being able to sneak aboard the Vengeance seemed like a minor plot hole. Nothing to make a lot of hay about, though, because it's no wonkier than certain elements in every other Trek film.

    3. The idea that Khan had to be captured alive, because he was Kirk's only hope, seemed far fetched, because I counted 72 other chances for Kirk to get a transfusion. Now, granted, maybe all 72 were incompatible, or maybe their blood didn't work the same way, but glossing over that seemed a bit overly dramatic.
    More to come in the days, weeks, and years ahead, I'm sure. I'll be seeing it again. I wasn't really impressed with the 3D, overall, although the overall look of the film was fantastic. I'll try to catch it in 2D at least once.

    I think it's better than STXI, which I guess therefore definitely puts it in my top three Trek films, and maybe higher. I'm going to hold off punching a grade, until I've seen it at least one more time. Without a doubt, though, it's at least an A-.

    Lens flare in 3D! Yeah, baby! :p
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  12. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    Opening with one of these classic Trek themes but not having the whole movie be about one of these themes would be great.

    I want politics man, I want Shakespeare quoting Klingons and hot hot Andorians and machinations!! They can blow something up too, for the kids.
  13. Devon

    Devon Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Dec 5, 2005
    A couple of more random thoughts... If there's one thing to be said about Abrams & Co, they really know how to tug on the heart strings. Pike's death scene was very real. My mother passed away when I was 17, right in front of my eyes, and it hit very very close to home seeing that last night. This time it was the only father Kirk seemed to really know.

    And the opening credits = CLASSIC. Audience applauded when "Star Trek" appeared on the scree.
  14. Bad Atom

    Bad Atom Commodore Commodore

    May 14, 2001
    I gave it a solid B.

    Going in completely spoiled and with very low expectations, I found myself pleasantly surprised. I view Abrams' films as a completely separate version of Star Trek so any continuity/canon issues don't bother me. There were plenty of lapses in logic but no worse than any other Trek film and the relentless pace helps distract from them. Emotionally, it hit all the right notes, and the acting was mostly great. I left the theater pretty satisfied, and it's obviously going to be a huge mainstream hit. Some miscellaneous thoughts:

    - The biggest issue to me (and a complaint I had with the first film) was the rampant unprofessionalism among the crew. My hope for a third film is to see these characters behave more like professional adults, because it undercuts the realism.
    - Chris Pine was the biggest surprise to me in the first film acting-wise and he was even better here. The writers really overdo the character's brashness and immaturity but Pine makes it work. Zachary Quinto was better here than in the first film, but the writers make him far too emotional for my taste.
    - The rest of the characters all had their moments to shine, although I wish Uhura was a little less "Spock's girlfriend" and Scotty was a little less comic relief. I enjoyed Acting Captain Sulu and redshirt Chekov.
    - I already miss Pike. :(
    - If they really wanted Cumberbatch in the film that badly, there was no reason they couldn't have had him play another "superman" from Khan's crew who seized the opportunity and took Khan's name. The "shocking" reveal of his name was meaningless to these characters. I will admit, his performance was quite good, only occasionally tipping into "overly enunciated thespian" mode. I was actually surprised how little he was used, to be honest.
    - Nimoy's cameo was beyond pointless and poorly placed in the film.
    - Kirk's sacrifice almost, almost worked. The lines taken directly from TWOK and Quinto's, um... less than stoic... reaction really took me out of it.
    - A lot of the logic problems throughout the film could have easily been solved by a line or two of dialogue. Like, why was the Enterprise underwater in the beginning, and so close to the shore where the natives would see it?
    - The reduced lens flares were appreciated.
    - The "blockbuster action set-pieces" ranged from pretty good (the Klingon fights, Kirk and Scotty's run to the warp core) to somewhat overblown (the space jump, Spock vs. Khan). I tend to tune those kind of scenes out because they're often unrealistic, but they weren't too bad on the whole.
    - The NX-01 model on Marcus' desk was a cute touch. But why did he have a model of his super-secret warship there too? Although given the way he blurted out the info about Section 31, I shouldn't be surprised...
    - I'm glad they added Carol Marcus to the Enterprise family. I liked the character and the actress.
    - I actually had no problem with Khan's "magic blood" saving Kirk. Too bad the whole bit with the tribble was the clunkiest piece of foreshadowing I've ever seen.
    - Was it me, or was there a lot of swearing in the film?
    - Peter Weller's performance went from zero to sneering supervillain in 60 seconds. Subtlety, much?
    - The Kirk/Spock bromance was in full force here, and will undoubtedly inspire fan-fiction writers for years to come. :)

    That's all I have for now. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing it again...
  15. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    So did Spock mind meld with the dying Pike to comfort him? That's how I saw it, he saw Pike was afraid and reached out.
  16. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

    Jun 20, 2001
    At first, I thought he was going to take his katra or something.
  17. Lord Garth FOI

    Lord Garth FOI Commander Red Shirt

    Dec 18, 2010
    Sure this has already been mentioned somewhere but it just dawned on me that the future president of the federation is Clarence Boddiger
    And the highest ranking admiral of starfleet is Robocop

    And Dick Jones commands the Enterprise D

    I'd buy that for a dollar
    Here let me give you hand
  18. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 18, 2006
    Flying Spaghetti Western
    The mind meld when Pike died was explained on the ship to the Qo'nos. Spock wanted to experience what Pike was feeling. A mind-meld being performed on someone eperience death hadn't been done in Trek before that I can remember. Pretty cool idea.

    I have a question.

    I remember Carol's infamous scream in the trailer but I can't remember specifically what she was reacting to. I'm drawing a blank.

    When Khan broke her leg, I believe she let out a different, more anguished cry.. and yes, I'll give props to Eve and Cumberbacth on that one, him breaking her leg was positively convincing and painful-looking. But what was the trailer scream a reaction to?
  19. Amaris

    Amaris Abiding Eos Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    Watching her father's head get squished like a ripe melon, which is what Khan did to him with his superhuman strength.
  20. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    And when I saw it I thought, "yep, that was worthy of that scream!"