Star Trek: Insurrection 20th anniversary thread!

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Turd Ferguson, Dec 12, 2018.

  1. IMC Headquarters

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    Admiral Daugherty, and Captain Tracey in "The Omega Glory", were over the moon they had discovered the Fountain of Youth on their worlds, but I'm wondering if there was illegal settlement on these planets once word got out?
     
  2. inflatabledalek

    inflatabledalek Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well, as it's a celebratory thread, the stuff I like:

    The location filming is nice and lush and helps make that part of the film feel more expansive that the other TNG films.

    I actually like the boobs conversation between Crusher and Troi, a nice human moment (what ruins it is it becoming a Data gag).

    It's fairly short so you don't have to suffer for long.
     
  3. suarezguy

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    I think as a kid I liked it just because I liked Picard and Data and Riker although even then I may have thought the singing was going a little too far/out-of-place with the comedy. Over some time I got more dissatisfied by all the cuteness.

    Rewatched again and it really seems like three or more different movies; the basic story of Picard finding the conspiracy, being outraged about it and going against the Admiral, who was authorized although secretly, I think is pretty strong in the first half but it gets too damaged and overshadowed by other, worse elements. Mainly that there's way too much thrown-in comedy that goes against having more drama, the supporting cast gets really little and/or embarrassing material, Anij is a fine character but the romantic feels really forced and out-of-place, the action feels thrown-in, half-hearted. It felt like trying to be and do too many things and you would probably get the sense, even not knowing it really happened, that the story was changed or otherwise influenced a lot by many factors rather than being what the writer initially or mainly wanted to do.

    The first half advocates well enough for Picard's stand while making Dougherty's very understandable, even appealing in its way and makes the conflict interesting enough despite the story being really small-scale, but then Ruaffo goes more and more wicked villain and the whole Son'a side of the story seems to be represented by just him and his second-in-command. And while the action is half-hearted it also plays as too good guys vs. bad guys, too much like we're supposed to root for Riker on the Enterprise to destroy them, rather than the antagonists having some sympathy and validity and the Federation being not that different from them. Showing Riker actually convincing the Federation Council to avoid the mission would have made his plotline and the whole second half feel a lot less like just action.
     
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    I think most, nearly all, movies based on or being sequels to TV shows also feel pretty TV-ish and that's not necessarily a bad thing. The parts of Insurrection that succeeded a lot more kind of were the more television aspects (Picard and the admiral being in conflict over what was true to social ideals, the Baku and Son'a having a shared history), the ones that didn't were those that tried to be more cinematic but weakly (the captain getting and being motivated by a love interest, the ship fight being so intense (even though brief) the crew had to eject the warp core, ending with a man-against-man physical fight).
     
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  5. 1moreRobot

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    I find the movie bland and insipid today. When I saw it in theaters, my thought was that’s it was “accessible.” I do remember how cheap the setpiece for the Picard/Ru’afo showdown looked. It was like they had blue screened but never got around to plugging in the space visuals.

    It was a strange, milquetoast era. Plymouth Voyagers and floral patterned vests and AOL dialup on beige CRTs. Even the prior year’s Mulder and Scully big screen debut seemed at times to be more of an Oldsmobile commercial (cue new angle of dynamic new Olds Intrigue) than anything else.
     
  6. suarezguy

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    I think the movie didn't have to be a full-blown Dominion War movie (kind of good that it wasn't that big-scale but, since the war is really another series's story, also inconclusive) but it already feels kind of like a companion piece to it and should have at least a little more so. The point of the movie was that the Federation was secretly acting in a corrupt way because the war had left it tired, strained, relatively weak, given that Picard and his crew seem way too comfortable and carefree.
     
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    I love how casually Worf drops in on his friends on the ship and becomes invaluable as events progress. He is too cool for words...
     
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    I love how the script offers an actual reason for Worf to be there, and that dialogue is even spoken in the movie, but fades to background chatter as the camera focuses on someone else instead so we don't actually get to hear it :guffaw: They might as well have had it go:

    PICARD
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    "Mister Worf! What the hell are you doing here?"

    WORF
    "Well, sir, I..."

    PICARD
    (interrupts, pats Worf on head condescendingly like a master and it's puppy, etc)
    "Never mind about all that, we don't really care why you're here. Go do some work, will you? There's a good boy." (Exit, stage left)
     
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    I actually love that they don't feel the need to explain why Worf is visiting, he can go see his other pals if he wants.
     
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    According to McCoy there is no fountain of youth on the Omega planet, the indigenous people live long cos they evolved on the planet.
     
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    I love the soundtrack album.
     
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    Jerry was the man.