Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Admiral Buzzkill, May 23, 2013.
Why? Afraid "the gay" will rub off on you? You better quit watching pretty much anything, because its likely that someone gay is involved in pretty much every movie/TV show.
All I care about is if the actor/actress can act.
What are you going to do with all those Liberace records and Gomer Pyle DVDs?
Or classic Elton John records?
Okay, all - I think that geneo's little pet hate has had quite enough time on the soapbox. Let's make the thread about something else, beginning right now.
Star Trek III... and speculate!
I think it will be about Klingons. May or may not involve war with same.
Hmmm... in-between Star Trek 09 and Into Darkness, I do vaguely recall remarks (I won't say quotes, because that would imply that I remember verbatim what was said, and I don't) from either Lindelof, Abrams, or Orci (can't remember who it was exactly) in which the essence was, that Into Darkness might not have a villain, as such - rather, the obstacle / challenge being space itself... ???
With Into Darkness now been and gone, it doesn't really fit with what I'm trying very badly to describe... so I'm wondering if it could shed any light on the next movie (perhaps)...
Sorry for an absolutely vague suggestion of a obscure (and unreferenced remark)... I distinctly remember being rather intrigued by the comments, so my apologies for not actually bringing to the table a solid quotable quote...
Does anyone remember hearing anything like this?
If so, I'd appreciate any help you could provide, on shedding light on this rather hazy recollection of mine... otherwise I do believe I might have been recalling conversations that never actually occurred!
Your recollections are pretty close to the mark, if I myself recall correctly.
I remember it too - something about space itself or nature being the enemy. It never materialized in the last film (unless they were referring to the gravity failing when the Enterprise fell to Earth?), let's hope we get something like that in 2016.
If it is space itself or something like a force of nature, could it be V'ger? Or a Queen-less Borg?
I think those remarks about space/nature being the enemy were simply intended as a misdirection aimed at the fans, courtesy of JJ's obsession with secrecy and surprise. Not unlike when Karl Urban "accidentally" let it slip that Cumberbatch was playing Gary Mitchell in STID. Just another red herring.
War with the Klingons. Tragic romance with Carol Marcus (in the end she takes the kid and leaves). Maybe the return of Khan and/or repercussions from Kirk's blood transfusion from Khan. That's my call.
They meant the blank space on a notebook page labeled "ORIGINAL IDEAS".
I remember it also, and I think the comments might have come from Orci. However, this would have been very early on in the process of developing a story for what eventually became Star Trek Into Darkness, and as I recall it the notion of obstacle/challenge being a natural phenomenon/space itself (as opposed to a villain character) was only one of a number of possible story ideas being kicked around at the time. I didn't (and still don't) get any sense of an intent to deceive or misdirect, just that they ultimately ended up going with character villain(s) instead.
He also got a list of possible villains, where Khan was not included, and stated that one of those was definitely in it.
Either they completely rewrote the script on a daily basis, or he is just a lying dude. I don't get why he would feel the need to play those kind of games with fans.
Who got a list? Was it Orci, or was it Devin Faraci and his never-identified "inside source"?
I didn't remember the comments in question, so I didn't know they were made very early in the writing process. Of course it's very possible they were just kicking around different ideas and seriously considered having that type of "villain" in STID. Then again, this group is so obsessed with secrecy and surprising the audience that it's not far-fetched to think they would resort to deliberate misdirection. Which is why I have a healthy amount of skepticism about everything the creative team says about any upcoming Trek film.
There are just so many threads left open from STID, it's hard for me to believe the writers will go with a completely new story. This line in particular stands out to me:
"War is coming! And who's going to lead us? You?"
But of course anything is possible.
Nothing wrong with skepticism; I'm skeptical of a lot of things myself. With J.J., however, the focus seems to be less on keeping secrets and more about not letting the audience in on something before it's time for them to know - always keep them wondering, and even at the end of the story there might be a few things left untold.
Anything, indeed, but I think you're probably right in figuring that at least a few leftover threads will get picked up again for the next one.
Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman explained that the dilemma for the sequel was whether to pit the crew against another villain, or to have an "exploration sci-fi plot where the unknown and nature itself is somehow an adversary", like in "Star Trek"
Would have been interesting if they could have pulled it off. Sounds like it was just too problematic to accomplish, though. That is, provided it wasn't some information smoke screen in the first place.
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