Probably when they were told by ILM that they only had enough money to refurbish half of the Nebula class model for the big screen, which is why we only see the right side of the ship when it leaves Veridian III.
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Probably when they were told by ILM that they only had enough money to refurbish half of the Nebula class model for the big screen, which is why we only see the right side of the ship when it leaves Veridian III.
That makes sense.
How did they run out of money when they had money to completely re-build the sets in the valley of fire and reshoot the whole final act when test audiences weren't thrilled with how it originally ended?
The nexus stuff wasn't done because they ran out of money, that's simply what was on the page to be shot.
Considering the budget was $35 million and they got an extra 5 for reshoots (that's a big chunk relative to the whole thing!) they knew the constraints they had before filming began. They also used this to reshoot a few things in the Picard Christmas sequence to "clarify plot problems". But nothing already shot was due to diminishing budget as they were filming.
The nexus stuff wasn't done because they ran out of money, that's simply what was on the page to be shot.
Considering the budget was $35 million and they got an extra 5 for reshoots (that's a big chunk relative to the whole thing!) they knew the constraints they had before filming began. They also used this to reshoot a few things in the Picard Christmas sequence to "clarify plot problems". But nothing already shot was due to diminishing budget as they were filming.
^ The went to the president of Paramount and she gave them $6 million to reshoot the ending. This after the film had been seen by test audiences and they weren't feeling the ending with Kirk dying by being shot in the back.
So they went back and tried to make "more heroic". I believe the original ending is on Youtube. It's certainly a lame way to close a film. Even lamer than what we got in the final product.
So they went back and tried to make "more heroic". I believe the original ending is on Youtube. It's certainly a lame way to close a film. Even lamer than what we got in the final product.
It's astounding that they thought a getting shot in the back death would fly at all.
It's even more astounding that the new they ending they came up with was considered a vast improvement by the writers.
When you kill a character as big as Kirk the really only fitting way for him to go out is in some dramatic consciously self sacrificing way that saves others.
Of course Spock's death fits this perfectly. He knew when he entered the radiation chamber that he wasn't coming out. But it was the only logical course of action because he was dead either way so he sacrificed himself to save the ship.
People might try and argue Kirk's death was a heroic self sacrifice.....but not really. He knew the bridge was shaky and it would be really dangerous, but he probably thought he'd been in tighter spots before and survived so he probably didn't really think he was dead. So he goes for the remote (which is one of the more impressive displays of physics I've seen in film how it managed to stay in that precarious position despite the steep angle of the bridge and all of its shaking)
Well the bridge does give way and it's too bad for Kirk. Yeah he was brave and all, but it wasn't epic like Spock. It was more like "Yeah I've gotta get that remote and it's dangerous, but goes with the territory and I'll probably make it.....oops"
It wasn't really a self sacrifice, it was more like a gamble and he lost.
Hardly what I'd call a fitting good bye for the central character of the franchise.
Shot in the back and not even a few last words before he expires. That was REALLY lame.
What's the evidence that this "blew the budget"? It's not as if they actually built a ship for the scene.
Both the sailing ship scene and the stellar cartography scene used up most of the money. For the former, no they didn't build the ship, but the cost of renting and refurbishing it, plus the payments to the actual crew of the thing (yes, all the sailors on that ship were the actual ship's crew), took a significant chunk out of the budget, not to mention the cost of making all those 18th century sailing uniforms (and to boot, new Starfleet uniforms that went unused for some unknown reason.)
The REALLY funny thing is the scene wasn't at all what it seemed to be on the surface.
Of course at first glance it seems to be some kind of scene to recognize Worf's promotion with some kind of traditional nautical ceremony.
But the reality is the scene didn't have a damn thing to do with Worf's promotion or nautical traditions. All it was was a flimsy pretext for Data to have his umpteenth crisis about understanding humanity when he doesn't understand why it was funny when worf went swimming, yet Crusher gets all pissed off when Data pushes her in.
Of course this is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back and Data pops his emotion chip in and becomes a clown for the rest of the film.
Really though did they need to set up such an elaborate and expensive scene just so we could see the same thing we've Data deal with for almost a decade? Hell he could have just thrown a drink in Crushers face in ten forward thinking it would be seen as funny and gotten the same effect for a fraction of the cost.
You mean they did all this so that Data could push Beverly in the water? Wow, talk about big causes, small effects...
I read it somewhere. Probably on Doug Drexler's blog, I don't really remember. All I do remember is that the info was from an official source, as I'm not in the habit of posting hearsay without knowing if it came from a credible source. Take that for what you will.
enterprisecvn is spot on. As Worf's promotion has nothing whatsoever to do with the rest of the story, the scene is indeed just setup for Data installing the emotion chip, which in and of itself is absurd: you mean that after 7 years and Joe Piscopo, Data still doesn't understand the concept of humor? But wait, it gets worse. So why did Data need to install the emotion chip and have it go haywire at this specific, particular time? So he could be incapacitated when Soran kidnaps Geordi. But...why did Geordi need to be kidnapped in the first place? Oh yeah, so Soran could torture him about trilithium. But wait: Doesn't Soran already know about trilithium? He already launched a probe containing the stuff into the Amargosa star, and the rocket on Veridian III presumably also contains it. So why is he asking LaForge about trilithium? Yes, the Duras sisters do have the foresight to tamper with his visor to get the Enterprise's shield frequency, but that's only because the writers needed a way to get a puny 20 year old BoP to destroy the Enterprise so they could reuse the footage of same BoP getting destroyed from the previous film!
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I agree it's lame. Even with its shields down Enterprise was more than a match for the Bop. Instead of wasting time finding a way to drop the Bop's shields they should have bombarded it with everything they had the BOP would have exploded all the same and a lot quicker.
I also read that it was equally important to the studio that there be a scene early on that "introduces" the characters to the general movie going audiences. They had originally written the movie to go directly from the Enterprise-B scenario to the Enterprise crew boarding Armagosa...but it was believed there needed to be a transition scene. Unfortunately, the promo scene comes off like "TNG Characters 101" as a result.
Yeah it was incredibly stupid writing for Soran to want to know Geordi's knowledge if tri lithium after Soran had set off one weapon with it and had another ready to go. Uh clearly Soran had all the knowledge he needed.
That would be like, if he hadn't been involved in the creation of the atomic bomb, the American government kidnapping Robert Oppenheimer the day after we dropped the second bomb on Nagasaki and telling him "We need all the knowledge you have on creating a nuclear weapon"......Uh you've already, counting the practice one in New Mexico, exploded three successfully. Seems like you've already got a pretty good idea of how to do it.
What did Soran promise the Duras sisters in exchange for a ride to Veridian? I can't remember.
When Soran asks that question...I didn't take it to mean that he wanted the information from Geordi for his own education on the subject. I took it to mean that he was trying to find out how much LaForge and the crew may have discovered about his plan, of which the twilit him was a key part. How "hot on his trail" might they be?
Access to the trilithium weapon.
So, could that mean that the thing with Geordie was just paying his debt to the sisters? Obviously, he already knew about and had access to the trilithium. If the sisters knew that he already had what they wanted, why would they not have tortured him for the info? Did he not want to tip his hand?
If you remember, he had a data storage chip (like an isolinear chip of sorts) that he was holding over them in the scene where he punches one of them and almost gets skewered by the crew.
I think he was going to give them access to his conclusions that allowed him to design the weapon.
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