And after TFF the franchise deserved to die. Fortunately, TUC was a great deal better.
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And after TFF the franchise deserved to die. Fortunately, TUC was a great deal better.
You are right about the commentary, except that B&B said they did want Picard vs Kirk in spaceships but couldn't figure out how to do it (obviously they should have asked us).
Yes, I think that line might cover it.
I don't know when you are planning on having Kirk enter the story, but I assume by the halfway point at the latest. Your moving the space battle towards the end should help prevent the episode being too Kirk-heavy.
For the end, you could just have Picard heading for the shuttle, rather than use the shot of Enterprise leaving orbit? If you go from Picard on V3 to the space shot, viewers might feel they are missing a scene of Picard telling his crew what happened. Just an idea.
I believe on the commentary they said there were talks of redoing "Yesterday's Enterprise" but with the Enterprise-A instead of the Enterprise-C. But of course, they didn't want to copy and paste a very popular episode from the show for their first feature film. Honestly, I could stand to see YE done with Kirk and Picard. That would've been special.
About turning Generations into a big screen Yesterday's Enterprise...
I can almost imagine that happening. Kirk attending the NCC-1701 B's launch. Nexus is a time rift, instead of entry point to an afterlife wonderland. Bad stuff happens. Harriman's dead. Rookie crew lead by Kirk is found by the NCC-1701 D 78 years later.
I can almost imagine that happening. Kirk attending the NCC-1701 B's launch. Nexus is a time rift, instead of entry point to an afterlife wonderland. Bad stuff happens. Harriman's dead. Rookie crew lead by Kirk is found by the NCC-1701 D 78 years later.
You can't do that though. People would say it's too derivative.
It would've had to have been called "2 days before yesterday's Enterprise" or "last weeks Enterprise".
But you can't just do that or people will say that you ripped off the original.
Really? That's kind of like saying the original series deserved to be cancelled after one really crappy episode. Imagine, no episodes after "The Alternative Factor." Or, if you you dislike this episode as much as I do, "Charlie X."
Let me try to explain. It's like someone who's done a really bad thing and then has done some time (in jail), then he started helping people out and became a really likable person. I like him now but if I had known him back then, I would have said "The Hell with that person, let's forget about him."
Well that's sort of the way I felt about the franchise then and how I feel now.
Actually, they should have just stopped making TOS films after TVH. Their story arc ended there and there was really no need to continue, except for that pesky Shatner directorial clause.
No, not really. The last time we would have seen Kirk was at the end of TUC as the Ent-A was going home to be decomissioned and the crew retiring. Just having some random line in GEN about Kirk disappearing on the Ent-B would make no sense unless we actually saw it happening. That's certainly a case of show, don't tell.
The bottom line is that GEN would be a pointless film without Kirk being in it. That's the whole reason it exists. To edit the TOS scenes out and just make it some random TNG episode would just be an exercise in fanservice, but wouldn't make it any better of a movie.
Nobody would complain that it's derivative if the movie was awesome.
Generations was lame. If you're going to travel in time to stop Soran, why would you travel to a point in time when he has the upper hand? Why wouldn't you travel to a point when he is vulnerable instead and push him out an airlock? Also, Kirk's death was less than his character deserved.
That's because he was. People who weren't old enough to remember or maybe some who just forgot. Generations was billed as, finally, THE epic meeting between the two captains. In fact I think the word epic was tossed around in almost every promo for it. I mean even the slogan on the posters was "two captains.....one destiny". So it was not "hey kirk is in it which is pretty cool.
Now if you heard all the buildup and paramount called you and said they wanted your opinion and said "so in the first 10 minutes kirk is attending the launch of the latest enterprise when an emergency happens and kirk steps up because the other captain is too overwhelmed in doing so the ship is about to be destroyed so kirk makes it possible for it to escape but does in the process" you might say hmmmmm not bad go on
"so roughly 75 mins later Picard is trying to stop this madman from killing a whole planet to fulfill his dream of entering this energy that makes you immortal but he fails but Picard enters this world too and meets kirk who wasn't killed but has been in this band all this time " You might saw..... So they only meet this late in the film? That's weird but go on.
So anyway kirk splits firewood, cooks eggs, talks about making love to some woman upstairs we never see and jumps horses all while being tone deaf to Picard's please for help. Then finally for some reason he changes his mind goes back to help has a few quips with Picard, gets in a 3 minute fist fight and then dies when a loose bridge gives way. And in his death scene Picard shows no more emotion than if a regular crew member had died and he buries him above ground where animals will certainly eat his body eventually.
I don't know about but I'd be like "so kirk is in the film for maybe 30 mins. With Picard for 20, most of it doing mundane stuff. He and Picard don't really bond and kirk dies in a weak ass way with his death not having any lasting sadness for Picard......
Would you call that the EPIC meeting of the captains. Hell it isn't even two captains one destiny. It's two captains where one dies and the other resumes his career with a new ship. Seems like two very different destinies to me.
So it wasn't just the film being lame. It was how it was billed compared to it's reality.
I was too young to remember how big the hype machine was for TMP, but of the 8 other films I feel IMHO none was given more build up and being called "EPIC" anywhere near as much as Generations was.
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The scenes in the nexus were just stupid and contradictory to what Guinan said about it. She said it was a place of endless joy that it took her a long time to forget. I can't imagine Picard enjoying the clicheéd life he was having there. In fact it didn't seem like it was much of an effort for him to leave it. As for Kirk, it seems like each time he was about to meet Antonia he found himself in another place, like he was delaying their encounter as much as possible. Some paradise, huh?
Well, if they hadn't taken Jeri Taylor's "advice" and blown their budget on an 18th century sailing ship, then they possibly could have used that money to recreate the TOS Enterprise bridge, since that's clearly where Kirk would have wanted to be in his greatest fantasy.
Yeah, that seemed like an odd choice to do the promotion in such an over the top way, when the rest of the budget was not enough to even keep the uniforms consistent on the ship.
A lot more could have been done with that money.
I wonder when they realized that they were running out of money.
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