Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by JoeZhang, Jul 23, 2016.
The minute an old actor/character shows up is the minute I stop watching.
Not to further fuel your theory. But this ship design does appear on screen in TNG. (Well clearly not as textured, greeblied up etc). It's in the Ship Boneyard scene in Unification Part I.
Look straight below the Enterprise. Remember they were searching this Scrapyard for a stolen Vulcan ship.
USS Intrepid NCC-1631 (run by Vulcans!!!!!) @137th Gebirg @Griffeytrek
USS Exeter NCC-26531
USS Hornet NCC-45231
USS Biko NCC-50331
USS Cheyenne NX-73531
According to Memory Alpha the ship was shown on screen in the episode “Court Martial”
The ship below the Enterprise:
Wow! 31's are popping up almost as much as the 47's are!
It goes back to ice cream.
The Baskin Robins conspiracy!
Baskin Robins always finds out.
Can't see it as a Section 31 ship. These guys were portrayed as an evil, ruthless organization not really differing from Dominion in DS9. That wouldn't fit in an optimistic, science and discovery-based nature of the show Fuller talked so much about.
If you stop watching every time an older actor shows up, you probably missed every show after TOS.
People want something "new" since that's a word the staff working on the show kept on and on using. Promising a new Trek.
Then we got a lot of people who have overstayed their welcome working on Trek, then a series probably set in the prime universe, a ship dragged out from 70's concept art, now they're saying they'll hire people from the old Trek to walk onstage awkwardly interrupting the show.
It's just another prime show making all the same mistakes and a few new ones. That's exactly what people stopped watching and necessitated a reboot of the franchise, they've learned nothing.
This. I'm still waiting for somebody to pinch me and say that JJ is gonna make it instead. I genuinely do not want another milquetoast show. I'm sorry to say, but they need to drop what the fans want and make a good television show.
But...you guys are fans as well, so you want them to ignore what you want too?
It's possible to please fans and make a good show. We'll find out soon enough.
One writer who wrote two films and another two writers who wrote some episodes of TNG/VOY, with one of those writers hugely improving since then and proving himself as one of, if not the best writer/showrunner in television today. If that's overstaying their welcome working on Trek, then asking for JJ to make it is just as bad.
Universe doesn't fucking matter, it's good writing that sells the show. No one outside of an inner circle of Trekkies cares about what universe it's in. At least this one actually makes some semblance of sense rather than the wacky and confusing Kelvin nonsense. I get that you're trying to fit this agenda of yours that all old things are bad, but people stopped watching Trek because of lackluster and samey writing, not because it was Prime universe.
70s concept art which the ship is loosely based on. The only constant between the two is they have a flattened secondary hull. I'll go further and say the Kelvin films are using 60s concept art. Oh, the humanity!
You've seen the show!? Tell me everything that happens! I want to know how it's "just another prime show making all the same mistakes"!
Oh wait, I forgot, Trekkies make up their mind before seeing or knowing anything about upcoming shows/movies. Like that time when Beyond was the death of Trek because of a lackluster first teaser, or like that time when TNG was an insult to all Trekkies for not having Kirk and Spock.
Now, almighty @Chemahkuu, show us what a real showrunner and TV writer looks like and tell us what you think this new show should be about, because right now, I think you're full of shit.
Yeah, people who worked on the old stuff that floundered isn't the same as the people who worked on the new stuff that made boatloads of money and received near universal acclaim. Never mind the fact that the entire point of the new reboot (or whatever) is to shed fifty years of weight, but yes, we haven't seen it, but it looks like the same recipe for Enterprise and Voyager. Promise something new and then flinch then give us the same vanilla crap.
Can something big come from this? Yes. But from what I have seen so far, I'm still skeptical.
True, but your post said "We've seen" and I took it literally.
Well, that's the remastered version and unless we can actually see the name "USS Intrepid" it could be anything despite Memory Alpha's claims.
Yup, I can't be excited for this series given what they've presented us with so far. I'll be waiting for the reviews of the first few episodes (being in the UK I'll have to anyway) to see what the series ends up even being.
Those "same mistakes gave them 28 seasons on TV and 10 movies. So long as they leave Berman behind so they can inject some freshness into script and story they will be fine.
And a declining viewership rate and a tenth movie that bombed so bad it killed Trek for nearly a decade.
Something was rendered on-screen for the name on that starship. Why can't we just take the people who did it at their word for what they wrote there?
I guess it depends on what canon rules you play by. Some people reject all of the digitally retconned remastered versions as canon, some people are more forgiving, some need on screen proof, some just need Roddenberry's word as to what he intended and nothing else. Me personally? I'd say I subscribe to a little of all of that depending on the mood I'm in.
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