Star Trek: Discovery: Aggravated that CBS will charge us

[EnderAKH]

Basically, CBS made a bad decision, I dislike it, and it gets irritating when people try to act like it's no biggie, and we should just all get on board.

See, that's the thing. To many of us it IS no biggie, so we are getting on board.

Nope. They're making a product available under more restrictive terms than similar products in the past, and you think I should like it that way.

Frankly it bothers me very little what you do or what you like.

Don't tell me to get over myself, and don't tell me to be a good compliant idiot.
On this thread alone, people are braying that we should be happy to play along.
We should all kick at that.

You, however, seem to be quite upset that others have no problem with this set up. So I would respectfully ask you to extend the same respect that you arew asking others to extend to you, and do not try to tell us how to watch our television or spend our money. This is how television is going to be moving forward because it is how many of us want it to be. If you have a problem with it, fine, as you have stated there are other avenues for you to eventually see the show. But please do not denigrate those of us who feel differently.

 

[BillJ]

This is how television is going to be moving forward because it is how many of us want it to be.

How dare they give us a choice on what we do and don't spend our money on?!? I want to go back to the "good old days" of paying $150 a month for 500 cable channels that I never watch!

 

[Paul Weaver]

It costs a US household $616 a year in TV advertising costs alone, plus at least another $60/mo or $700 for basic cable.

Add the time wasted watching adverts - 15min/hr, 5hr/day, 3 people per household, that's about 4 hours a day spent watching adverts, $15 an hour, that's $400 a week, or $27k a household in lost time.

But yes, $120/year for a high quality trek production is a rip off.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

If they put out a show to stream, and then not leave all the episodes (that have been released) available for streaming, then I object to that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that episodes wont be constantly available after their release date, they'll only be streaming the most current few episodes.

I can't tell you if CBS will have a different policy for DSC, but I do know that this is not how it works with their current big streaming show, The Good Fight. They're actually advertising Good Fight right now as "binge every episode" or something. The full season is on there right now, there's none of this "watch x episode within x timeframe or lose it forever." If they set up DSC the same as Good Fight, which I think they will given they're the same format for the same service, then DSC will have every episode streaming once they've all been "aired."

 

[Zonker]

The CBS interactive president just said “Frankly, if you’re a consumer and you want to watch them all at once, you can do that at the end of the season.” So I assume that means they will all stay available once they've aired.

 

[BillJ]

I'll be paying to watch Discovery as it releases, and likely be paying for the show when its released on disc.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Also just to update everyone who doesn't have CBSAA yet. They just started adding movies. Granted, right now it's a very small handful. Like, ten or something. But they're starting to get into that too. So, expect more stuff to be added to the service. Obviously it'll take them a long time to reach the level of content offered by your Netflixes and Hulus, if they ever do, but they are clearly trying to broaden their platform and improve it.

 

[Spider]

The CBS interactive president just said “Frankly, if you’re a consumer and you want to watch them all at once, you can do that at the end of the season.” So I assume that means they will all stay available once they've aired.

To be honest, I'm finding I enjoy (individual) TV series shows a lot more when I've saved up at least three or four episodes to watch at once.

 

[BillJ]

Also just to update everyone who doesn't have CBSAA yet. They just started adding movies. Granted, right now it's a very small handful. Like, ten or something. But they're starting to get into that too. So, expect more stuff to be added to the service. Obviously it'll take them a long time to reach the level of content offered by your Netflixes and Hulus, if they ever do, but they are clearly trying to broaden their platform and improve it.

How dare they not have ten buttzillion movies right from the get-go!

 

[NOVE9]

I took the extra-difficult road: I taped it off the free-to-air.

It was hell.

I was a kid and fortunate enough to have a parent who also enjoyed star trek often we'd buy it on VHS or just rent it from a video rental place.

 

[midnightz]

Why not just wait for the penultimate episode and binge watch for a month?

 

[Darkwing]

See, that's the thing. To many of us it IS no biggie, so we are getting on board.

Frankly it bothers me very little what you do or what you like.


You, however, seem to be quite upset that others have no problem with this set up. So I would respectfully ask you to extend the same respect that you arew asking others to extend to you, and do not try to tell us how to watch our television or spend our money. This is how television is going to be moving forward because it is how many of us want it to be. If you have a problem with it, fine, as you have stated there are other avenues for you to eventually see the show. But please do not denigrate those of us who feel differently.

What I saw was people complaining, then others ganging up on them to tell them to like it, and so came to say "No, we don't have to like it, and y'all shouldn't be trying to tell us to".
And if enough of us complain, then it may not be the way tv moves forward.

 

[Darkwing]

How dare they give us a choice on what we do and don't spend our money on?!? I want to go back to the "good old days" of paying $150 a month for 500 cable channels that I never watch!

I prefer not spending anything for tv. If I do, it's for dvds I can rewatch whenever, even when I have no wifi, as long as I have electricity. But then, I also spent 14 years at sea, where programming was rather limited.

 

[Darkwing]

I'm guessing he means a Homeowners association.

Though it may be my Aussieness talking, but it's really not that hard to find properties without a HOA.

It's getting harder and harder to find neighborhoods without them. People went along with them when they started (originally to keep people from being able to sell to blacks, later to "keep property values up" - code for "keep blacks out without saying it", but then started offering extras like a neighborhood pool and clubhouse for members, as a carrot. The extras have mostly gone away, though, as people got used to the idea that a HOA was 'normal', and so now almost any new development and many older ones have HOAs. Nobody fought HOAs then, so it's harder now to do it.
Same idea here.

 

[BillJ]

I prefer not spending anything for tv.

Then you're about four decades too late to stop that tidal wave.

 

[EnderAKH]

What I saw was people complaining, then others ganging up on them to tell them to like it, and so came to say "No, we don't have to like it, and y'all shouldn't be trying to tell us to".
And if enough of us complain, then it may not be the way tv moves forward.

The problem is that boat already sailed. You complained earlier about cable and its business model, but cable has been here since the 60s. HBO launched in 1972. It's great that you don't like cable, but society has declared in a loud voice, we like cable. It is the same with streaming. Society likes the choice and ease of streaming. Netflix is about to hit 100 million subscribers. If you want to wait on the DVDs, that's terrific for you. Go with God my son. But just realize you are on the losing side of this battle. There is not some huge unheard groundswell of support for going back to antennas. It's there, but it is tiny. People like streaming. Growth is in streaming. It's why CBS, HBO, Disney, Starz, and others all have some form of streaming service. That's why there is Hulu, Seeso, Go90, and other streaming only services. My TV doesn't even have a tuner. It has a built in Chromecast and 5 HDMI ports, because who even uses a TV tuner anymore? The broadcast audience is dwindling, as evidenced by the continually shrinking ratings of the 4 broadcast networks. It's OK for you not to like it, but please understand it isn't going anywhere. It's only going to grow. And I would bet in 10 years DVDs and Blurays will go the way of CDs and records, so get ready for that as well.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

What I saw was people complaining, then others ganging up on them to tell them to like it, and so came to say "No, we don't have to like it, and y'all shouldn't be trying to tell us to".
And if enough of us complain, then it may not be the way tv moves forward.

I don't think anyone should sign up for CBSAA. I don't think anyone should do anything with their money that they wouldn't already do of their own volition. I just think some people's objections against the platform don't really make sense or don't seem nearly severe enough to inspire in people a Rage Against the Machine soundtracked customer rebellion, imho, but hey it's not my money or time. You do you. I signed up because I like CBSAA and I like Star Trek and it's a fair deal for me. Hopefully there's enough of us willing to sign up to justify a healthy run of DSC.

 

[Six of Twelve]

The problem is that boat already sailed. You complained earlier about cable and its business model, but cable has been here since the 60s. HBO launched in 1972. It's great that you don't like cable, but society has declared in a loud voice, we like cable. It is the same with streaming. Society likes the choice and ease of streaming. Netflix is about to hit 100 million subscribers. If you want to wait on the DVDs, that's terrific for you. Go with God my son. But just realize you are on the losing side of this battle. There is not some huge unheard groundswell of support for going back to antennas. It's there, but it is tiny. People like streaming. Growth is in streaming. It's why CBS, HBO, Disney, Starz, and others all have some form of streaming service. That's why there is Hulu, Seeso, Go90, and other streaming only services. My TV doesn't even have a tuner. It has a built in Chromecast and 5 HDMI ports, because who even uses a TV tuner anymore? The broadcast audience is dwindling, as evidenced by the continually shrinking ratings of the 4 broadcast networks. It's OK for you not to like it, but please understand it isn't going anywhere. It's only going to grow. And I would bet in 10 years DVDs and Blurays will go the way of CDs and records, so get ready for that as well.

It's not that people don't like any of these things. It's PAYING that people don't like.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

It's not that people don't like any of these things. It's PAYING that people don't like.

I think the only thing I actually like paying for are National Park and NWR entrance fees and donations. I mean, who likes paying for things?

 

[EnderAKH]

It's not that people don't like any of these things. It's PAYING that people don't like.

The problem there, of course, it people don't like watching commercials either, fast forwarding or using a DVR commercial skip feature, or what have you. People had their choice to watch commercials and get TV for free, and opted to go another way. TV is not an endeavor of art, it is an endeavor of commerce. If people do not wish to watch commercials, then they are going to have to pay some other way. And before someone jumps in with some screed about having to do both, if you make a pricing model cheap enough to get users, that is usually not enough to sustain the service thus the need for commercials. Thus Hulu (and CBS All Access for that matter) have a commercial free option, but you have to pay more for it to offset the revenue they lose from you not watching commercials.