Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x07 - "…But to Connect"

[XCV330]

I didn't attack you I made an observation. Read the rest of my post.

I am replying to your post as it existed when you hit Post Reply. If you wanted to tack more on after, that's fine. Don't act like this wasn't more passive aggressive gatekeeping. I'm not going to escalate this with further replies. I'll leave it from this point.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wish these were clearer, but bottom row, second from the right on the left side, I believe that's the Xindi emblem.
https://i.imgur.com/2DEDgvj.png

 

[Lord Garth]

Got to get this out before I forget: One thing I loved about this episode is the way it shows its politics. Voting and you don't have one side of the aisle trying to obstruct the other side. Speaking as an American, all I've seen in the last 13 years is, "If he's for it, we're against it!" I'm soooooooooo glad they didn't make the voting in this episode like that. It's good to see a properly functioning democracy.

 

[XCV330]

Got to get this out before I forget: One thing I loved about this episode is the way it shows its politics. Voting and you don't have one side of the aisle trying to obstruct the other side. Speaking as an American, all I've seen in the last 13 years is, "If he's for it, we're against it!" I'm soooooooooo glad they didn't make the voting in this episode like that. It's good to see a properly functioning democracy.

It is nice to see the idea that people can improve over time be seen now and then on the show. I have appreciated that return to optimism.

 

[Amaris]

It is nice to see the idea that people can improve over time be seen now and then on the show. I have appreciated that return to optimism.

Seconded.

 

[Tuskin38]

Some more shots of the emblems, they're almost legible.

 

[diankra]

Not necessarily, it depends on how long it takes for Discovery to launch the weapon. Also given the size and scope of the DMA, its creators probably can't launch 20 of them at the same time on a whim. I assume it takes some time to build them.



Yeah, but you also need to assume the DMA creators are reasonable for diplomacy to work in the first place.



The DMA committed the act of war when it destroyed Kwejan and killed billions of people, this is self defense.



And in those types of situations it can be good to use every advantage you have and show strength.



Might is the key word. The only way to be certain is to destroy it immediately.

It's Star Trek. Jaw jaw is always better than war war.

 

[cooleddie74]

Figures the Andorians would vote to attack the DMA. They don't run from any armed fight.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I love this show. 10/10 easy

 

[Paul755]

The DMA plot was good but I am not a fan of the Zora stuff at all.

Cronenberg really is inspired casting.

It still bugs me that Earth left the Federation.

Still no Klingons, there has to be a very specific reason they haven’t been shown. But it’s a very strange omission.

 

[nic3636]

It's Star Trek. Jaw jaw is always better than war war.

I get it. I also like the diplomacy route, was just playing devils advocate. Each plot had a clear Star Trek choice and a non-Star Trek choice. I liked that the “wrong” (ie non Star Trek) choice in each plot was not all that unreasonable.

 

[Lord Garth]

It's strange to think that, as of the middle of the fourth season, there's a good chance we're probably about half-way through Discovery. I think we've now reached the second half of the show.

Time flies.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

No need to be an ass. Do you even know who they are? They may have written an episode you did like jesus.

I didn't attack you I made an observation. Read the rest of my post.

You made an observation that included a personal insult. A mild one, to be sure, but still a personal attack. And when called on it instead of apologizing you doubled-down. I'm not going to give you an infraction, because it's a mild insult, but don't do this again or it will result in an infraction.

 

[fireproof78]

Still no Klingons, there has to be a very specific reason they haven’t been shown. But it’s a very strange omission.

Hopefully it continues.

 

[Paul755]

but why omit the franchises most recognizable alien race.

Unless they have some big, grand reveal in mind. Even if it’s extinction.

 

[Lord Garth]

I have to agree with @Paul755. Like it or not, the Klingons are a prominent race in Star Trek. If they're absent from the 32nd Century completely, at least on DSC, there has to be a story reason behind it. I get not showing anything about the Borg, they're Picard's turf. For all we know, the Borg cease to be after PIC, but that's PIC's story to tell (or not tell). That particular situation doesn't apply to the Klingons.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Finally got a chance to see the episode. Loved Stamets trying to use the 2001: Space Odyssey-technique of drowning out their discussion with music and Kovich just calling him out on it like "WTF are you doing? That's not going to work." This isn't the first Discovery to have dealt with sentient AI.

Also loved the nuanced take on AIs in the future. The worst case scenario (as supposed by Kovich, although it appears he was lying) was simply to extract Zora and put her in another form. Nothing about killing her or dismantling her. She's the only one who brought that up.

 

[Paul755]

I have to agree with @Paul755. Like it or not, the Klingons are a prominent race in Star Trek. If they're absent from the 32nd Century completely, at least on DSC, there has to be a story reason behind it. I get not showing anything about the Borg, they're Picard's turf. For all we know, the Borg cease to be after PIC, but that's PIC's story to tell (or not tell). That particular situation doesn't apply to the Klingons.

it really doesn’t make sense to me. Like, I can get not mentioning the Founders, Jem Hadar, Borg, etc…

But you name drop the Metrons and show an obscure race from ENT S1 but not the Klingons?

cmon.

 

[Tim Thomason]

The show had a huge missed opportunity by not having the Klingons prominently in Starfleet or the Federation in Season 3. I said, last year, the President should've been Klingon (or part Klingon).

The whole ethos of Discovery is that we need to hold onto our ideals and good things will happen. I would love to have seen them struggle, and easily surmount, that small iota of prejudice they (and especially Michael) hold towards this polity that they fought and now would serve side-by-side.

To a Discovery-only fan, Bajor and Cardassia have no meaning, but can you imagine if President Rillak was half-Klingon instead? The unspoken animosity and untrust between her and Michael, initially, would've had a greater level of nuance if she had such a background.

 

[XCV330]

it really doesn’t make sense to me. Like, I can get not mentioning the Founders, Jem Hadar, Borg, etc…

But you name drop the Metrons and show an obscure race from ENT S1 but not the Klingons?

cmon.

Unless the Klingons are either mostly gone or vastly reduced.
There was apparently a very long difficult time war involving most of the galaxy (Disco season 3)
The Klingons were involved in the temporal cold war to some degree (Broken Bow), whether they were aware of it then, or not.
The Klingons maintain time crystals, or did. One of the few things they seemed to really hold sacred and not just in lip service. (Disco season 2)
Klingons sometimes make really bad political decisions (almost the entirety of DS9) that their war prowess has no defense against.

Every other major power besides the Delta Quadrant and Gamma Quadrant species seem to have gotten some kind of mention.

Maybe they just lost, badly. 930 years ago, Venice was a major world power. Now it is a tourist spot slowly sinking into the Adriatic. Empires don't always survive.