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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

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Was the courier network meant to be slipstream? The officer at SFHQ only said Book's ship exited subspace, it reminded me of the 'underspace' corridors that Vaadwuar had in Voyager.
I figured old transwarp tunnels. And I was sure the wreckage was Borg until they ID'd a starship class.
 
Both were nearly use bureaucrats (make of that what you will) and "mattered" in so far as being pawns to elements of Starfleet. Plus, two stories out of how many?
This is true. I won't argue that point.

But I also consider Star Trek VI to be _the_ Ultimate Dividing Point between Early-Set Trek (TOS and the prequels) and Later-Set Trek (TNG and the sequels). So I don't view as "just a story". It's a pretty major turning point in the lore of Star Trek.
 
Both were nearly use bureaucrats (make of that what you will) and "mattered" in so far as being pawns to elements of Starfleet. Plus, two stories out of how many?
Yeah, I don't see the President mattering here now.
You asked for instances. You were provided with them. You're still not happy! 'Yeah but not those ones, they don't count!' :lol:
 
You asked for instances. You were provided with examples. You're still not happy! 'Yeah but not those ones, they don't count!' :lol:
I should have been far more specific rather than my usually sarcastic rejoinders...

jeez...:rolleyes:

This is true. I won't argue that point.

But I also consider Star Trek VI to be _the_ Ultimate Dividing Point between Early-Set Trek (TOS and the prequels) and Later-Set Trek (TNG and the sequels). So I don't view as "just a story". It's a pretty major turning point in the lore of Star Trek.
I think TUC is an excellent work. I was simply remarking, poorly apparently, that the Federation president is not someone that has mattered in recent stories.
 
Excellent episode in my book, it really brought things back into focus and gave the season a shot in the arm after having meandered a little too much. It also made Osyra and the Emerald Chain a WHOLE lot more interesting, nuanced and compelling than they had been up until now. I loved seeing Vance prove his integrity and dispel everyone’s Badmiral fears—the Vance/Osyra scenes were truly an unexpected highlight.

I enjoyed Burnham Disco Die Hard, and her unexpected betrayal of Stamets was a gut-puncher. That said, wasn’t Stamets betraying his duty as a Starfleet officer by putting Hugh and Adira before everything else? And the fact he considers Adira his child seemed to push things somewhat—close friend and mentee perhaps, but I never saw them as quite that close.

The final scene seemed a little bit of a jarring crossover into Wall-E territory, but I’m fascinated to see where they go with it. I’m feeling much more optimistic about a satisfying climax to the season than I was last week.

Best moment had to be the shit apples. I actually thought I’d misheard what Vance was saying until he repeated it. Yeah, it seems those apples are indeed...shit apples.
 
Not 100% useless. They were doing short jumps without the navigator, and jumped into a sun on the longer attempt.

What bugs me is, once they had the tardigrade, and could see the map, why TH couldn't they just save the map? Does the network change and evolve? Did they mention anything to that effect?
Just because you have a map it doesn't mean you can automatically just follow the path. you may need to use the map to make a path every time because the path may change. The map may be just one part of a number of things needed to successfully travel along the network.
 
Exactly how large is the Emerald Chain and what is their influence? They were originally presented to us as a sort of gang of thugs, but, clearly they are large enough to have a government structure and a science division. So, this implies it's at least comparable to the Federation at one time. Where is their homeworld? If Osyraa isn't their leader, then who is? What is their society like, since Vance seems to suggest some type of jealousy towards it.

What is the true status of Starfleet and the Federation? While I had no doubt the Federation president is still there in the background someplace, this is the first time they are brought up. Where are they? What is their mandate? Do they have a mandate?

Clearly the show wants to depict the Federation and the Emerald Chain as rivals, but, IMO, I don't think we ever get a good sense of that beyond the few fleeting run-ins in the Disco crew has with them and the fact that Vance (or someone else in Starfleet) mentions they are conducting "military exercises."
I think the Federation and the Emerald Chain are like the Frankish Kingdom and the Kingdom of Italy after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
 
Brief initial thoughts...
  • Better than last week
  • Die Hard. Down to Burnham losing her boots
  • Sorry to see Ryn go
  • Like Mitchell’s character
  • Book’s gonna die next week
  • Big split between Stamets and Michael going into season 4
  • “They’re made from shit, you know.”
  • Osyrra and Vance scenes were great.
8/10.
When she lost her boots my first thought was die hard.
 
Except the issue wasn't solely processing power. The drive only worked correctly when it had a biological navigator who could interact with the mycelial plane and it was stated back in season 1 by Admiral Cornwell that drive was useless without the tardigrade. This is reiterated again in this weeks episode when Stamets says that he was also unable to replicate the tardigrade cells.
Incorrect, the drive worked fine without a biological navigator.

The problem occurred when they tried to use the drive to make jumps farther then X distance. And this was directly stated to be because X distance was the limits of their computing ability.

Which means any improvement in computing, would mean an improvement in jump distance.

And on that note, the jump distance was a cubic curve, the computing increase from switching to FTL processors would have been an exponential curve. Which means while not infinite like a tartigrade, modern 32nd century computers should have a multi lightyear distance at a minimum.
 
I am beginning to think as SOON AS A WOMAN makes a mistake she is attacked in Trek. Riker has fucked up plenty of time and so has Kirk, and I never hear that shit.
To this day I would have had Rikers badge for what he did or rather what he did not do in generations.

I don’t question that there’s sexism behind some people’s criticism of Discovery, but Tilly is a young ensign abruptly promoted to a position far beyond her years. In that’s sense, she’s more Wesley than Riker, and Wesley has taken no shortage of criticism and outright hate.
This^^^ My issue with tilly is not that they have a women in command. It is the fact they have a women who is not yet ready in command.
I have the same problems with Kirk in the new trek movies.
 
Has anyone mentioned that at 3:13 into the episode we get a view of how Zora sees herself?
 
Did anyone else think of the Elite Force games when they saw Michael materialize her phaser then vanish it again?
That was my immediate thought. Why can't we have a next-gen Elite Force game set in the 32nd century? Disco even has the personal transporters from EF multiplayer.
 
Excellent episode in my book, it really brought things back into focus and gave the season a shot in the arm after having meandered a little too much. It also made Osyra and the Emerald Chain a WHOLE lot more interesting, nuanced and compelling than they had been up until now. I loved seeing Vance prove his integrity and dispel everyone’s Badmiral fears—the Vance/Osyra scenes were truly an unexpected highlight.

I enjoyed Burnham Disco Die Hard, and her unexpected betrayal of Stamets was a gut-puncher. That said, wasn’t Stamets betraying his duty as a Starfleet officer by putting Hugh and Adira before everything else? And the fact he considers Adira his child seemed to push things somewhat—close friend and mentee perhaps, but I never saw them as quite that close.

The final scene seemed a little bit of a jarring crossover into Wall-E territory, but I’m fascinated to see where they go with it. I’m feeling much more optimistic about a satisfying climax to the season than I was last week.

Wall-E with lasers in their arms.

Best moment had to be the shit apples. I actually thought I’d misheard what Vance was saying until he repeated it. Yeah, it seems those apples are indeed...shit apples.

In polite company I like to call them "space apples." Unless they are made from horses, then the term "road apples" would apply. ;)

I liked the episode too. I think it was the best this season so far.:techman:
 
Unless they run in to a new problem with navigation. There are always limits.
True, but perfect is the enemy of good enough.

And good enough in this case would be any jump distance that matches how fast you could travel in the same amount of time at Warp.

On that note, even with only a jump distance of 0.1 light years per jump, and limiting yourself to a single jump an hour, you would end up traveling at somewhere around Warp 7.5 on the TNG scale.
 
Certainly, but the Federation always shoots for perfect, not good enough. They don't trust technology that is less than perfect or without the necessary back ups.
We are talking about perfect in the sense of no jump limits, not perfect in the sense that it might kill the crew.
 
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