Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x09 - "Terra Firma, Part 1"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Dec 9, 2020.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Excellent!

  2. 9

  3. 8

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  10. 1 - Terrible!

  1. TheMadCloner

    TheMadCloner Commander Red Shirt

    Jun 21, 2008
    I like him more than I liked Cornwall however.
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  2. JoseNoodles

    JoseNoodles Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 18, 2018
    This episode proved to have an interesting second half compared to the first. Although I wonder what the implications of Georgiou trying to change events will ultimately have. I mean Mirror Staments is now dead. How does that change the events of Season 1? Is this some sort of hallucination or vision, and nothing is really changing? Is this a "Tapestry" type situation where history appears to have changed somewhat, but the timeline is more or less retained?
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  3. Awesome Possum

    Awesome Possum Let's Fly Moderator

    Mar 13, 2001
    32nd Century
    I think it's less time travel and more a personal experience for Georgiou.
  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Vasquez Rocks, Bajor
    Now they are in-universe terms. Not seeing a problem. Not the first time it's happened.
    STO isn't "in universe". At best it's universe adjacent.

    Not a fan of the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, I take it?

    The newspaper title might just be an an easter egg. I see no reason so far to think otherwise. The paper in COTEOF was an actual artifact from the past not a creation of the Guardian.
    A TARDIS doesn't really work that way.
    Other way around IMO. The post TOS Klingons borrow heavily from Mirror, Mirror.
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  5. Gordie

    Gordie Captain Captain

    Mar 15, 2020
    Did not like it. But I never have liked the mirror verse episodes.
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  6. Fateor

    Fateor Captain Captain

    May 18, 2017
    That's not really a big leap given there would be two Georgiou running around now if it were actually time travel.
  7. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 27, 2009
    USS Prodigy
    It's like AGT time travel at best.
  8. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 22, 2020

    An 8 and more from me.

    Really didn’t expect the Mirror universe twist after meeting a Q (?), real or not it works well. captain Killy sure is menacing and so is Mirror Burnham. I was thinking Stamets deserved to die for his poetry and dead he was!

    About the first part, admiral Vance got a lot of points from me, I’m liking him more than ever after the decisions and the wise words in this episode. I’m kinda warming up to the uniform as well, unexpectedly.

    All in all a very solid and exciting episode, a moderate dose of Mirror Universe is a welcome thrill.

    Looking forward to seeing Mirror Lorca, but I don’t think he will appear, seems that the stranded ship is *not* Discovery after all. Phew.

    No crying but A LOT of whispering between Burnham and Georgiu, some dialogues to the point of ridiculousness.
  9. Reyman

    Reyman Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 23, 2017
    It was very enjoyable for what it was, but we're into episode 9 of a season of Trek set in the distant future and they've still done very little to take advantage of the setting.I think maybe I set my expectations too high for this season and like Voyager need to accept it for what it is.

    Also take a bow Oyin Oladejo. She was outstanding as mirror Owosekun.
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  10. Kevman7987

    Kevman7987 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    May 20, 2013
    Erie, PA, USA
    I don't think we'll get to actually see mirror Lorca again. I presume we'll hear that he "disappeared" in part 2 (his disappearance meaning he crossed over into the Prime universe).

    I don't think there is any actual time travel going on. This is probably some kind of symbolic journey Georgiou is on that will somehow fix her condition.

    I'm surprised people in the Mirror Universe have such great hair. It would be a simple matter to bribe a barber to assassinate your rivals.

    I hope this two-part episode is the last time we glimpse the Mirror Universe for a while. I never cared for it. Everyone's evil and one-dimensional, good job being lazy and uncreative, writers. The only time I found it interesting was when Enterprise had alternate opening titles.
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  11. thribs

    thribs Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 23, 2017
    I don’t think he’s a Q as you wouldn’t need to go to a certain planet to meet him. He must be some other entity that resides there
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  12. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Commodore Commodore

    Feb 10, 2013
    Configuring the Ontarian Manifold
    What does Carl need with a starship?
  13. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 15, 2020
    Same here. I havent rated this episode because it would be unfairly bias.I can see why MU fans would like it but I hated it and find again that the sudden jump to the MU is very weird and a bit of a waste of time in an arc based show. I also cant stand the shouting and the amount of noise the MU uniforms make but at least no one was moustache twirlingly bisexual in this episode.

    Loving Vance, Cronenberg and the Doorman ( who I dont see being a GoF as the powers he has and the ability to send people across the multiverse seems out of place. Same with the Q idea as why would you need to travel to a special planet to summon a Q )
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  14. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 22, 2020
    About Cronenberg, we still have no idea on who he is or what his position is, but Culber for some reason brings the issue to him...odd!
  15. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

    Sep 28, 2014
    It is strange that the Starfleet ship did not come to the rescue of the Kelpien ship. What happened here?
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  16. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 15, 2020
    I assume someone off screen told him that Cronenberg has a lot of knowledge about the MU

    But far more likely he was spying on Georgiou and jumped in when he saw Culber was investigating the phasing
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  17. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

    May 19, 2005
    Far North Chicago Suburbs
    Perhaps the Q and the GoF's merged in the 29th century? This particular location is just the one the Sphere stopped at once.
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  18. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 25, 2001
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    Carl does love high-tech devices that defy established science.

  19. arch101

    arch101 Commodore Commodore

    May 3, 1999
    Quincy, MA
    I'm theorizing that the GoF knows that Georgiou needs to at least return to the 23rd century to survive, and is trying to find out of it's safe to let her return there by testing her ability to change. If she passes, she'll get dropped off in the PU 23rd century and be ok. -on to Section 31 show.
  20. arch101

    arch101 Commodore Commodore

    May 3, 1999
    Quincy, MA
    Given the season, there should be a Guardian of Christmases yet to come...
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