Looking at MA, he said that some episodes were "stinky" and that Manny Coto should have been around since the start, but (according to MA) he remains "steadfast in his pride and defense of the series as a whole". I can't find anything on him calling any part of ENT "unwatchable", but maybe your Google Fu is better than mine.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"
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So far there doesn't seem to have been any reason to introduce us to the woman from Starfleet security and Adira was just a Mcguffin but hopefully that changes especially with Adira
naa, it’s just that there is more people voicing opinions on the internet than 15+ years ago.
Yet in this very topic there are people who didn’t like enterprise, Voyager or the Abrams movies when they were new and still don’t like them. Why should discovery be different?
It was addressed -- but only in passing.
Ep 3x06, in the briefing room scene near the start with Vance and the all the contemporary captains from 3189, Vance asks Saru how it's going and Saru briefly talks about the retraining and familiarisation that is happening and that Burnham is leading on it. This is all happening during the three week period that Discovery is having her upgrades and refit. That's really a ridiculously short timescale for everyone to get up to speed but that's what they have allowed. It's Star Trek... We can either assume that's all they got or we can infer that likely there is further on-the-job hands-on familiarisation happening while the ship is back in service with advisors/trainers from 3189 aboard the ship -- but it's just not relevant to the primary story arc therefore they're just not going to explicitly show it to us or even mention it (lots of other things are similarly glossed-over in Discovery).
It would have been interesting to dedicate an episode to the Disco crew feeling all fish-out-of-water, coming up to speed on eight centuries of missing history, learning to cope with changes in culture / tech, and building up relationships with guys from current Starfleet (who would be just as fascinated about Discovery, her crew and the living history that represents) but they'd have to generate a meaningful story to hang that around. They could even have allowed for some considerable time to have passed during the events of that one episode if they chose to do so.
If this had been a TNG-style 22-episode season then they might have time to fit that in and do it justice, or even stretch it further as a continuing B-story over several episodes. As it stands, however, the total episode time for these shorter seasons is tightly constrained so I think those brief comments from Saru to Vance were their only way of addressing this and sticking to the schedule of events that they wanted to fit in for the season.
So, it's kinda there but they're just not dwelling on it, and given the stuff they otherwise choose to ignore, it's almost surprising that they bothered to mention it at all!
Agreed. ''Code of Honor'' was a fine Trek episode had it been a TOS episode. In fact, I think its writer used to work for TOS as well. But of course as a late 1980s series and as it's features as part of a series that features humanity that has transcended beyond all types of prejudices, the episode was very problemmatic - not just on race but on gender as well.
I think part of the problem of the first two season of TNG was that it still tried to project a post utopian world from the lense of the1960s sci-fi writers as seen on TOS, while the world has moved on beyond it and people began to pay more attention toward addressing past racial, gender, and other forms of inequities. Gene was heavily involved during first two TNG seasons and it also featured many TOS veterans. Once Gene's involvement was cut back during the third season (and he passed shortly after) and B&B managed to hire more new writers in tune with 1980s/90s sci-fi (Ron Moore, Ira Behr, etc) then TNG finally took off and became a legend we all knew.
reportedly, it aired at wrong times and the way they collected how many were watching were really imprecise, they changed those methods a couple of years later and discovered TOS was actually quite popular, tried to bring it back to life but the sets had been destroyed, eventually they settled on the cheaper TAS instead.
the only reason they ordered a fourth season was to have enough episodes to sell the series afterwards, AFAIK.
I am referring to interviews in documentaries about the series. He may not have said "unwatchable" but he definitely said "Piece of s*", in fact, he was using a lot of swear words during the interview. Maybe he changed his mind later but the interviews are still there. He said that a lot of things he put in the series were imposed on him by the powers that be.
Worf wasn't the only TNG/DS9 character who popped up in Star Trek VI. Odo also popped up, although his character was cut from the theatrical release
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/West
My internal head canon explains Colonel West as a human masquerade by Odo's Evil Twin
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Will be interesting when someone makes a 30th century show that s***s on Discoverys 32nd century canon and the DIS fans become the "not real Trek" people
Worf wasn't the only TNG/DS9 character who popped up in Star Trek VI. Odo also popped up, although his character was cut from the theatrical release
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/West
My internal head canon explains Colonel West as a cameo by Odo's Evil Twin
And let's not even bring up how somehow Joseph Sisko appeared in Star Trek IV.
Did I ever tell you the true cause of the burn?
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Right, so the person in charge of the sequence misspoke, like that's never happened before. Remember the enormous debate from the Picard finale, where Ante Dekovic (one of the VFX supervisors who worked on the show) implied that there were four distinct starship designs in Riker's fleet, when there was really only one with two nacelle variants? When what everyone thinks he should have said was that four designs were submitted, which seems to be the real truth of it. Just a simple mistake where he misremembered what his team ultimately did, he's only human, no big deal.Nothing in that episode said anything about the intro. Perhaps you should watch the intro again?
And read about the intro here: https://www.artofthetitle.com/title/star-trek-discovery/
Same thing here. The showrunners most likely told Criado to put blue crystals in the intro because of the upcoming use and significance of the time crystals in the season and she assumed that they were dilithium. They weren't revealed as time crystals until the latter third of the season, long after the intro was complete. Ever since Season 1, damn near everything had significance in that intro, even the little numbers floating around for stellar coordinates. Dilithium is the big one this season - The color change is not coincidental. I will concede that it's possible that, since the blue crystals were there since the S1 intro, they may have originally intended for them to be dilithium. They then used blue crystals in S2 to represent the time crystals (no need to change that part of the intro, because the color matched), and by the time S3 rolled around and dilithium crystals were needed to play a significant role, someone said, "Shit! We need to change the color of those things to differentiate them from what we used last season!" Hence, the change to red.
Look, (I can't believe I'm going down into the weeds with this) in literally every single scene that dilithium crystals have been shown, they were red, reddish-pink, clearish-pink, reddish-orange or yellowish-orange, always in the warm color range. There has never been a time that they were shown blue, in the cool color range.
TOS - The Alternative Factor (Season 1):
TOS - Elaan of Troyius (Season 3):
I'm only going to show those two TOS pics, as they used the same (red) props to represent functional dilithium throughout the entire series run. Moving on...Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home:
Granted, these are a little more yellowish-orange, but they're Klingon crystals and might be processed differently. They're also lit from inside, so they could just be clear. in any case, still, #NotBlue.
TNG - Skin of Evil (Season 1):
I did find this one online - apparently a crystal prop from Star Trek Enterprise that's clear-ish, with some pink hues to it. The smaller picture of the entire lot shows crystals ranging from clear to rose-pink. No idea which episode these came from:
Close-up of lot:
Star Trek Discovery has gone out of their way this season to show dilithium as red. I haven't found good recent screencaps that show the dilithium, but from what I recall, it is red.
The only blue crystals we've ever seen are the time crystals from Boreth, starting with S2's "Through the Valley of Shadows":
Ugh... I'm tired now.
It seems like we've moved on from the OMG Burnham is crying thing, but there is something I would note: Sisko cries twice in the same scene in his pilot (and it would not be the last time in the series), and Sisko is still easily the most badass captain.
Context matters. TOS lasted three seasons on NBC. In a time when the only viewing options were CBS, NBC, and ABC. No FOX (as a fourth network), no cable, no internet, no VCRs/DVDs, no video games, or any other alternatives that existed later. A series with "low" ratings back then would still have higher ratings than almost any series from today.
No other Star Trek series, except TNG, would've made it that far on a Major Network as its primary outlet. UPN doesn't count.
After 30 years as a fan, I have yet to find any hard data on syndication numbers, but my understanding is that TOS performed better in strip-syndication in the '70s than it did in Prime Time on NBC in the '60s. That was a major part of what led to NBC greenlighting the Saturday-morning cartoon in 1973 and what led to Paramount spending the entire second half of the '70s trying to get Star Trek back to live-action production. The other main part being the conventions showing the intensity of the demand that raw syndication numbers by themselves wouldn't show.
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