She was offering the data she gathered herself over the one year
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"
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Disappointed the Discovery doesn’t have a new effect when it jumps after the retrofit. I was expecting the nacelles to circle the ship while the rest was also spinning.
Speaking of Spock, we still don’t know what happened to him. The JJVerse gives us one story but that doesn’t really mesh with what we know in Picard. Hopefully one day we get an answer.
That makes sense but think it would have worked better if she was to reveal that to him.
Speaking of Spock, we still don’t know what happened to him. The JJVerse gives us one story but that doesn’t really mesh with what we know in Picard. Hopefully one day we get an answer.
That’s the only story for PrimeSpock. The show isn’t ignoring ST09’s backstory. Nothing in Picard contradicts it.
NO the information about Michael was never erased. It was just agreed that any officers aware of the situation of Discovery would not speak of it in public under pain of death. While the officers fabricated that Discovery exploded there was no mention of trying to remove knowledge of the crew or of Discovery itself from all records. It also mentioned that diplomats were immune from being questioned over the matter. So all records of her life on Vulcan and who she was being raised by would still exist, her schooling records would still exist. The difference is that her death would have been reported as an explosion during the time of the the event at the end of season 2.An okay episode but how did the admiral know that Spock was Michael’s sister? I thought all information about her was erased. Would have been better narrative wise if she told him.
Speaking of which, I’m disappointed no one said, “Kirk’s Spock?” To her. That was always my favourite line in the novels which always has the response of, “I wasn’t aware I was his possession” from Spock.
The mother thing came out of nowhere and made no sense since she should be stuck in a alternate timeline. I wasn’t a fan of that part of the story. The Tilly thing as well made little sense. I would have had Willa.
Yes the mother thing came out of the blue, and I didn't like the bit with Tilly. But minus the advocate being her Mom and Tilly's acting promotion I actually enjoyed the meat of the episode.
You say that but the supernova stories are different in both. I would like some better clarification. That’s all I want.
I’m still not a fan of the galaxy still requiring Dilithium to travel in the 32nd century. I doubt the Relativity did. Using Dilithium felt like it was on its way out by the end of the 24th century. I know they have stated that Slipstream required a rare element but I could see them finding a solution to that before then.
Just makes the future future feel less advanced than it should be.
No they’re not?
For me, that was one of Discovery's best. Fantastic stuff: a true meditation on these characters and Star Trek. A 10.
What struck me is how much substance there was, both in terms of character and world-building. I loved that we learned about how Romulans traditions have interwoven with Vulcan ones, with surprising connections to other Treks. I'm also glad to learn more about the politics of the Federation leading up to the Burn, as well as the delicate situations that have developed in its wake. We're told that healing divisions in the scattered worlds will take more than one visit, as it should be.
I would also commend the precise writing: the technical details, the history, the character beats. Great teleplay from Kirstin Beyer. Lots of good references, too: Picard, Spock, Anton Yelchin.
I also loved what they did with Michael and her...advocate--a very clever use of Romulan lore to power both the plot and her character arc. And the quote at the end was wonderful: "Duty and joy go hand in hand. Duty is there so you can continue to pursue your happiness. And joy is there so you have something real to fight for."
I also quite like what they did with Tilly. The fact that they lampshade it hard, especially through Stamets, makes it work for me just fine. And I love to see Mary Wiseman get material to sink her acting teeth into.
I can see the arguments now: the tears, the promotions, the unexpected career choices of time travelers who end up on Vulcan. I don't care. The clarity of the writing and the emotions of the performance sold it. Great stuff.
Addendum: Georgiou didn't appear. Mistake in the images they released, or a late cut?
What struck me is how much substance there was, both in terms of character and world-building. I loved that we learned about how Romulans traditions have interwoven with Vulcan ones, with surprising connections to other Treks. I'm also glad to learn more about the politics of the Federation leading up to the Burn, as well as the delicate situations that have developed in its wake. We're told that healing divisions in the scattered worlds will take more than one visit, as it should be.
I would also commend the precise writing: the technical details, the history, the character beats. Great teleplay from Kirstin Beyer. Lots of good references, too: Picard, Spock, Anton Yelchin.
I also loved what they did with Michael and her...advocate--a very clever use of Romulan lore to power both the plot and her character arc. And the quote at the end was wonderful: "Duty and joy go hand in hand. Duty is there so you can continue to pursue your happiness. And joy is there so you have something real to fight for."
I also quite like what they did with Tilly. The fact that they lampshade it hard, especially through Stamets, makes it work for me just fine. And I love to see Mary Wiseman get material to sink her acting teeth into.
I can see the arguments now: the tears, the promotions, the unexpected career choices of time travelers who end up on Vulcan. I don't care. The clarity of the writing and the emotions of the performance sold it. Great stuff.
Addendum: Georgiou didn't appear. Mistake in the images they released, or a late cut?
I’m guessing they were images for next week’s, based on the trailer, that they accidentally included.
Yes, that was my thought, too.
Yes they are. In ‘09 it says that a star went supernova which caused a threat to Romulus which sent them to action. It couldn’t have been the Romulus star as they would only have minutes. In Picard it’s said to be Romulus’ star and they had years of knowing about it before it happened.
@thribs is right, the supernova stories are different. It's been discussed before, I even brought it up with Michael Chabon on instagram and he basically admitted they didn't think of a resolution at the time (maybe they have by now).
When Picard clarified the supernova was the Romulan sun, instead of a magical supernova that threatened the galaxy in the 2009 film, it suddenly became unclear how Spock was "saving" Romulus if he turned Romulus' sun into a black hole ensuring it had no light, heat, or energy.
My personal headcanon is that Romulan system was binary and only one of the suns was going supernova.
The movie doesn’t say that. In fact the movie says they had warning just like Picard. The movie shows Spock talking with the Romulans, preparing for it.
TOS never established that Kirk was First Officer on the Farragut. Kirk was a young lieutenant at phaser station when the Cloud Creature attacked and killed Captain Garrovick and half its crew. In the aftermath of the incident, the Farragut's actual First Officer reported that Lieutenant Kirk was "a fine young officer who performed with uncommon bravery." It sounds to me like Kirk was the Farragut's equivalent of Lt. Tomlinson from " Balance of Terror, " except he survived.
If you watch the movie, the star explodes and then Spock convenes with the Romulans to find a solution.
That could have been out of order though. It was a mind meld after all. The location of the supernova (and whether Spock was actually destroying Romulus' only sun) is a far more serious contradiction.
This is Spock. He was clear with what he was saying.
The problem there is that "what they say" comes from a mind meld - indeed, from the first mind meld ever used for telling a story, with visuals and all. Spock Prime tells that story with a flair for the dramatic, meaning it becomes a bit hard to read. Especially the order of the events remains open to interpretation, what with Spock using an introduction/main story/epilogue structure that generally would not be chronological.
What Spock tries to achieve is not completely clear. He says he promised to save the planet, but that didn't happen. He implies he needed a fast ship, but he's late. He nevertheless acts with "little time" to spare, and manages to stop the supernova.
Perhaps he lied to the Romulans, who in any case had this evacuation thing going and might have been saved all if not for certain parties dragging their feet and caring little about miners' wives. Perhaps the plan always was to stop the supernova destructively. It's the hurry part that would make little sense in that case, though.
Perhaps he did have a nondestructive outcome in mind, though, and simply guessed the timing wrong. Red Matter behaves completely differently every time it is utilized in the movie. Postulating a behavior that would simply have quelled the supernova without destroying the star is perfectly possible, then.
In any case, Spock's was a side show to a larger calamity. His actions did squat to help Romulans here (but perhaps his other actions were elemental in facilitating the evacuation?), but perhaps he saved the galaxy? Or then he achieved nothing real with his Red Matter, but he had already lit the fuse and had to apply the substance lest it blow up in his hands, hence his "little time" comment.
The two stories aren't in contradiction - the only thing that is comes from the comic published in connection with the 2009 movie, which is in major contradiction with the movie itself already in a dozen ways and need not be considered here.
Timo Saloniemi
What Spock tries to achieve is not completely clear. He says he promised to save the planet, but that didn't happen. He implies he needed a fast ship, but he's late. He nevertheless acts with "little time" to spare, and manages to stop the supernova.
Perhaps he lied to the Romulans, who in any case had this evacuation thing going and might have been saved all if not for certain parties dragging their feet and caring little about miners' wives. Perhaps the plan always was to stop the supernova destructively. It's the hurry part that would make little sense in that case, though.
Perhaps he did have a nondestructive outcome in mind, though, and simply guessed the timing wrong. Red Matter behaves completely differently every time it is utilized in the movie. Postulating a behavior that would simply have quelled the supernova without destroying the star is perfectly possible, then.
In any case, Spock's was a side show to a larger calamity. His actions did squat to help Romulans here (but perhaps his other actions were elemental in facilitating the evacuation?), but perhaps he saved the galaxy? Or then he achieved nothing real with his Red Matter, but he had already lit the fuse and had to apply the substance lest it blow up in his hands, hence his "little time" comment.
The two stories aren't in contradiction - the only thing that is comes from the comic published in connection with the 2009 movie, which is in major contradiction with the movie itself already in a dozen ways and need not be considered here.
Timo Saloniemi
I guess I remembered the scenes out of order.
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