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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"

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Shatner is an Award WInning-Shakespearean Trained Actor, the way he chose to portray the character of Captain Kirk was a conscience decision based on his own internal feelings at the time.

One has to remember that doing a "TV Show" back in the late 50's and the 60's was considered a step-down for most stage and motion picture actors.
They almost always took the jobs just to pay the bills till something better came along.
His portrayal, at least to me as I got older and understood the circumstances, indicated that during the filming of the show he was at times, just going through the motions to get the paycheck.

It wasn't until Star Trek started becoming very popular, that he began to take it more seriously.
:shrug:

As a side note, anybody who has seen the TWILIGHT ZONE episode
"Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" can see the measurable difference in his acting skills on a show that was considered 'a step up for one's career' during that time period.
 
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It doesn't mean that the V'draysh is the United Federation of Planets. It could mean that they are also call Federation. Just like the First Federation that the Enterprise had meet was also call Federation. So we can't assumed that they're the United Federation of Planets. It could be that they are a off shoot of the Unite Federation of Planets. Which means they were members of the United Federation of Planets, But withdraw from the Federation, But kept the name Federation. I wonder if the V'dratshians language is spoken in syncope.
 
After seeing the little bit in the previews of how the new StarFleet Character (who's name I haven't memorized yet) treats the Discovery crew, there may be some truth to the fact that they may be a bit too high & mighty for their own good and really are the V'draysh that much of the 32nd century galaxy considers 'evil'.
They may be doing what they are doing for what they believe to be 'good' reasons, but may be doing more harm than not.

I could see Burnham and the Discovery Crew spending this season setting their sights on bringing back more of the "old values" to help bring about a Federation that isn't disliked by many.
 
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After seeing the little bit in the previews of how the new StarFleet Character (who's name I haven't memorized yet) treats the Discovery crew, there may be some truth to the fact that they may be a bit too high & mighty for their own good and really are the V'draysh that much of the 31st century galaxy considers 'evil'.
They may be doing what they are doing for what they believe to be 'good', but may be doing more harm than not.

I could see Burnham and the Discovery Crew spending this season setting their sights on bringing back more of the "old values" to help bring about a Federation that isn't disliked by many.
Yeh that could be true. Some of the world in the Federation became evil. While other in the Federation stay true to the Federation. Probably why a divided Delta shield. The very first teaser before Star Trek Discovery was announce show a divided delta shield. I think lots of poster believed that the Federation split into two faction. It seem like that may what had happen.
 
Andorians and Tellerites working with Orions would be the first major clue to me that the Federation has split up.
I would guess that the Vulcan's and Humans are still joined, but many of the rest of the original members have left.
Especially seeing the Flag from last week's episode with fewer stars.

This could have happened because Starfleet (a mostly Human run entity) became a more controlling force (instead of the Federation Council) which caused a rift in the member worlds.
Especially after a large loss of ships and the reduction in Warp capabilities, Star Fleet would begin to demand that they be given more policing power since they would be the ones in the few working starships out there doing the job.

My guess is that Star Fleet began to implement stricter rules and laws that many member worlds felt was stepping over the line of their sovereignty.
:shrug:
 
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The V'Draysh could simply be the 32nd century Trek version of the Confederacy, with the remaining UFP being the Union.

I miss the old days, the really old days, when there was a Star Trek chatroom, and people still used ICQ. I miss those days.
ICQ is still around. It's an app now for your phone, but the "Oh-oh" alert is still there and the flower icon and all the things that made it great
I wish I could play Slide-a-lama and Warsheep again! I tried to find them, but they seem to have completely disappeared :(

Cinematography is usually not a big part of Trek productions, so when it's good it really stands out. Ironically though, it also tends to get overlooked because people like to talk about the special effects and the story.
One thing I liked in E1 was how the camera was locked to her head movements when she was drugged. Much more creative than previous season's wild spinning XD
 
I liked the episode. Gave a real Firefly vibe. I do hope they don't do any "Control" stuff with Detmer. Isn't the sphere data still alive in Discovery also?

Yes it is and I think that's the thing that was making her look a bit wonky. The sphere data was helping her fly the ship when she first looked wonky.
 
The previews show some pretty incredible worldbuilding this year..dilithium mines, traders, new tech, remnants of the Federation. I think that's one of the things I'm really liking this season, even if there hasn't been a really top-flight episode yet.
 
Now for the thing I said upthread that reminded me of "Context Is for Kings". The mock-outraged wouldn't have picked this up because they were too busy picking it apart, so I can see things they can't. Because they're too blinded by their hatred -- yes, hatred -- of Michael Burnham.

At the beginning of "Context Is for Kings", Burnham is in danger on her prison ship that's spiraled out of control. She's rescued by a tractor beam from Discovery that rescues her. This is the first time Burnham ever sees Discovery.

At the end of "Far from Home", Discovery is in danger of staying trapped and getting destroy by a sort-of prison they're entombed in with that parasitic ice coverage. They try to break free but the situation is spiraling out of control. Then Discovery is rescued by a tractor beam. This is the first time Discovery sees Burnham in The Future.

The situation is completely reversed. It's a nice parallel.

Good spot, yes, that's lovely.
 
I really do wonder about the state of some people's minds. Star Trek was a cheesey, cheap little show made in the 1960s. They taped fabric onto the women actors so it looked like it might fall off at any time, "The Theiss Theory of Titilation". The bridge of the Enterprise was built with hammer, nails, wood and paper mache, by a bunch of 1960s workmen with their arsecrack hanging over the top of their trousers. The effects were limited, the phasers could shoot, but the phaser and camera had to remain completely still because the "phaser beam" effect was static. Same for the transporter, which was only introduced because they couldn't afford to build a shuttlecraft set piece. The acting was woeful by our standards, but television was a different thing then, for a different time. The entire concept of television was still evolving from being filmed stage plays.

But it grabbed our imagination, and those imaginations filled in all the blanks, fixed all the sfx problems, and we were able to go with it, even the thing with Spock's brain. Now, technology has moved on, and so has television. We have 3d printing, CGI, we can make anything come alive on screen, we have better materials for prosthetic makeups, and can have more imaginative aliens. Star Trek can move away from the "bumpy headed aliens" that it's been criticized for in the past. Our own technological advancement has outpaced 60's Star Trek, we're over shooting them. Their level of technology now looks too simple, too flimsy, too clunky to be something from our sleek, modern reality. And some people are complaining because it doesn't look like it was made in the 1960s anymore. What? There are people watching this new show on technology more advanced than was depicted in the 60s Trek. A modern mobile phone has more functionality than a TNG padd, never mind the etch-a-sketch they had on TOS.

And folks, it's perfectly acceptable to dislike an actor's performance or choices, but calling them a bad actor just because you don't like the show is rude. Case in point, I don't enjoy a lot of Ricky Gervais's comedy, it's just not my sense of humour. However, I've seen him interviewed and talking about bigger issues, and i really like him and think he's got some interesting views. Scott Bakula's delivery is always off, in any situation he talks like he's making an important announcement. The Voyager actors were told to dial it down to make the alien characters look more alien. How's an actor supposed to work with that? I don't enjoy the Stamets/Reno thing, I don't feel the spark, the delivery is always off. Sonequa is a fine actor, she has delivered again and again, and Michael is a very complex character. She allows different characters to draw different sides of Michael out, and there's nuance between Michael with Pike, or Michael with Spock, or Michael with Tilly. That's real, that's what you're like, different people draw out different aspects of our personality. Michael's an over-achiever, and sometimes that works to her advantage, and sometimes it's a flaw. Spock is the only character who calls her out on it, and her reaction to that brings humanity to her character. The "Michael with Spock" version of the character is warmer, softer, and my favourite Michael, it's a shame they've had to part.

Star Trek's great, but let's not get silly about it. Nobody wants a modern Star Trek show made by 1960s standards and limitations. You might think you do, but if they actually did it, you wouldn't like it. Discovery has holes, all Trek has holes. If you're going to get all uppity about everything on screen being canon, then you have to come up with an in-universe reason for there being someone standing on the bridge during that tense moment before they discovered that Burnham was in the ship, conducting the pace of the pause before they opened hailing frequencies. That's up there with Chewing Gum Guy in Sela's office in Unification (before the HD remaster, they removed him for that).

Come on guys, it's been a shitty year, and we've been waiting for Discovery all year. I know I have. I really enjoyed Picard, I didn't bother with Lower Decks, but it was Discovery I've really been waiting for. Can we just enjoy our Star Trek in peace?
 
Star Trek was a cheesey, cheap little show made in the 1960s
No it wasn't. It was one of the most expensive shows on the air and one of the few that took the worldbuilding seriously (just compare it against SF shows of the 60s ant 70s).

bridge of the Enterprise was built with hammer, nails, wood and paper mache, by a bunch of 1960s workmen with their arsecrack hanging over the top of their trousers
Sounds exactly like how sets are built today.

The effects were limited
Not for the times.

television was a different thing then, for a different time
Sure.

ur own technological advancement has outpaced 60's Star Trek, we're over shooting them
Were is my warp drive? My transporter? Matter/antimatter reactors that provide ner-unlimited energy?

And some people are complaining because it doesn't look like it was made in the 1960s anymore
In this thread? Where?

A modern mobile phone has more functionality than a TNG padd
No it doesn't.

Since you raised the topic, something I've never liked about Discovery and Picard is that basically everything is a shade of grey/dark blue. Which is of course exactly why I liked the enterprise sets in season 2, which were quite a break from that. This has nothing to do with technology, this is only merely a creative choice.
 
I really do wonder about the state of some people's minds. Star Trek was a cheesey, cheap little show made in the 1960s. They taped fabric onto the women actors so it looked like it might fall off at any time, "The Theiss Theory of Titilation". The bridge of the Enterprise was built with hammer, nails, wood and paper mache, by a bunch of 1960s workmen with their arsecrack hanging over the top of their trousers. The effects were limited, the phasers could shoot, but the phaser and camera had to remain completely still because the "phaser beam" effect was static. Same for the transporter, which was only introduced because they couldn't afford to build a shuttlecraft set piece. The acting was woeful by our standards, but television was a different thing then, for a different time. The entire concept of television was still evolving from being filmed stage plays.

But it grabbed our imagination, and those imaginations filled in all the blanks, fixed all the sfx problems, and we were able to go with it, even the thing with Spock's brain. Now, technology has moved on, and so has television. We have 3d printing, CGI, we can make anything come alive on screen, we have better materials for prosthetic makeups, and can have more imaginative aliens. Star Trek can move away from the "bumpy headed aliens" that it's been criticized for in the past. Our own technological advancement has outpaced 60's Star Trek, we're over shooting them. Their level of technology now looks too simple, too flimsy, too clunky to be something from our sleek, modern reality. And some people are complaining because it doesn't look like it was made in the 1960s anymore. What? There are people watching this new show on technology more advanced than was depicted in the 60s Trek. A modern mobile phone has more functionality than a TNG padd, never mind the etch-a-sketch they had on TOS.

And folks, it's perfectly acceptable to dislike an actor's performance or choices, but calling them a bad actor just because you don't like the show is rude. Case in point, I don't enjoy a lot of Ricky Gervais's comedy, it's just not my sense of humour. However, I've seen him interviewed and talking about bigger issues, and i really like him and think he's got some interesting views. Scott Bakula's delivery is always off, in any situation he talks like he's making an important announcement. The Voyager actors were told to dial it down to make the alien characters look more alien. How's an actor supposed to work with that? I don't enjoy the Stamets/Reno thing, I don't feel the spark, the delivery is always off. Sonequa is a fine actor, she has delivered again and again, and Michael is a very complex character. She allows different characters to draw different sides of Michael out, and there's nuance between Michael with Pike, or Michael with Spock, or Michael with Tilly. That's real, that's what you're like, different people draw out different aspects of our personality. Michael's an over-achiever, and sometimes that works to her advantage, and sometimes it's a flaw. Spock is the only character who calls her out on it, and her reaction to that brings humanity to her character. The "Michael with Spock" version of the character is warmer, softer, and my favourite Michael, it's a shame they've had to part.

Star Trek's great, but let's not get silly about it. Nobody wants a modern Star Trek show made by 1960s standards and limitations. You might think you do, but if they actually did it, you wouldn't like it. Discovery has holes, all Trek has holes. If you're going to get all uppity about everything on screen being canon, then you have to come up with an in-universe reason for there being someone standing on the bridge during that tense moment before they discovered that Burnham was in the ship, conducting the pace of the pause before they opened hailing frequencies. That's up there with Chewing Gum Guy in Sela's office in Unification (before the HD remaster, they removed him for that).

Come on guys, it's been a shitty year, and we've been waiting for Discovery all year. I know I have. I really enjoyed Picard, I didn't bother with Lower Decks, but it was Discovery I've really been waiting for. Can we just enjoy our Star Trek in peace?
What does all of this have to do with 'far from home?'
 
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