Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[cooleddie74]

"I'll allow it!!"

 

[jackoverfull]

not necessarily. after a few generations, would the Vulcans living on Earth would still identify themselves as "from Vulcan" or wouldn't they more likely see themselves as Earthlings? Vulcan was the place their forefathers lived, there's maybe still a hint of cultural heritage sprinkled through the community, but as time progresses, that may be perceived as very long ago and not relevant for the current generation of immigrants

For Vulcans 150 years are barely a generation, though. In fact there could very well be old Vulcans that were kids when the burn happened.

But of course its less dramatic. Or O'Brien just enjoys this stuff like Picard enjoys riding a dune buggy. He probably is kind of masochistic...that would also explain how he can handle being tortured every now and then so well. Its like vacation for him.

I mean, he married Keiko...!

For some strange reason the tech and clothing look similar to discovery era tech and clothing as well as the tech in Picard.

Budget. The reason is called budget.

Was that a member of Morn's (from DS9) species we saw in the episode?! Could that have been Morn himself who somehow used the Orb of Time to travel to the same time period Michael did?

Yes, that was a Lurian but definitely not morn.

 

[MisterD]

I mean, he married Keiko...!

Lol. The question is:

Did he marry her because he enjoys to suffer? Or did he chose to spend his day standing at a transporter console and crawling through the ship to get away from her?

Either way....he is the most relateable character in all of Star Trek for me.

 

[RAMA]

Here it is! A little late, but here is my weekly post-episode round-up of last week's episode:

03x01 "That Hope is You":

The episode scored a solid 9.54/10 with viewers on TVTime, historically the source with the largest sample size. IMDB viewers scored it a 7.5/10 despite being prone to some downvoting. TraktTV also has a very large sample size, viewers grade it an 80%. Amazon viewers graded it 4.3/5. Rotten Tomatoes is left out due to it's acknowledged tampering and very low sample size.

Critics were kind. There were very few negative reviews to be found, and Rotten Tomatoes' critical score was 93/100. Metacritic give season 3 an uptick grade of 74, slightly higher than last season, 7 positive, no negative reviews.

In metrics, Netflix has posted Discovery in so many worldwide top 10s its impossible to list here.

Parrot Analytics, the best measure of reaction to a show across country borders regardless of time or origin, had Discovery drop onto the Digital Originals top 10 list this week, hitting 35x demand of the average show in the USA with only a 3 day sample size, after being in the top 20 for almost all of the past 18 months.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_discovery

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9877958/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep1

https://www.tvtime.com/en/show/328711

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/det...v_dp_season_select_s3#customer-review-section

https://www.metacritic.com/tv/star-trek-discovery/season-3

 

[137th Gebirg]

What Degree?

Why, the 3rd, of course!
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[Jackson_Roykirk]

I have went over the positives, mostly in the performances by Martin-Green and Ajala along with the pacing. The negatives were that The Burn just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

They haven't even begun to explain what The Burn even was, just some symptoms of it. All we know is that it has something (we don't know what) to do with dilithium, and that caused things -- maybe including the dilithium -- to blow up (we don't know how).

Burnahm quick-fired some questions to Book: "What does that mean?" "Did it destabilize?" "How?"
All to which Book could only answer "I don't know." His knowledge of the situation is vague, likely because it happened before he was born.

Someone might know, but Booker doesn't. To paraphrase Dr. McCoy, "He's an animal welfare warrior, dammit! Not an engineer."

This being just the first episode, they are setting up subsequent episodes in which the answers to her questions will be part of the over story being told. Maybe the full explanation of The Burn will ultimately make sense to us or maybe it won't, but we don't have enough information yet to know that.

 

[arch101]

Re: the Federation falling as a whole, I think its inevitable that something would break it apart, all great Unions/Empire eventually collapse on themselves whether for good or bad reasons, its what rises from the ashes that is interesting and will we see eventually a new Federation once more?

The western Roman Empire had to fall for us to get to the EU

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Budget. The reason is called budget

For the most part I agree but if we meet Starfleet and the uniforms look like DSC I'll be well annoyed

 

[fireproof78]

mean, he married Keiko...!

Not sure that's relevant.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

For the most part I agree but if we meet Starfleet and the uniforms look like DSC I'll be well annoyed

We will meet starfleet and from the trailers the uniforms look like natural progressions of the 29th century starfleet uniforms.

 

[Hythlodeus]

For Vulcans 150 years are barely a generation, though. In fact there could very well be old Vulcans that were kids when the burn happened.

probably, yeah. Vulcans on Vulcan certainly grow that old. One thing Star Trek never really developed, certainly because it was never an issue for any of the writers, was how the lifespan of alien species might be influenced by their enviroment. We know Spock, who spent most of his life outside of Vulcan, didn't get particularly old for a Vulcan. His father, who spent many years on Earth and elsewhere, also died relatively young. Now, that might be due to bad genes or the half-human heritage in Spock's case, but it stands to reason that a difference in enviromental influences might effect the lifespan somewhat.
Tuvok, as a counter example, if I'm not mistaken, while having a career in Starfleet, also (and I might want to check Memory Alpha on that, because it has been a long time since I suffered through VOY) spent a much higher proportion of his life on Vulcan itself and was, relatively to Spock extremely young looking for a Vulcan his age.

 

[Yistaan]

His father, who spent many years on Earth and elsewhere, also died relatively young.

I know he had Bendii disease or whatever, but I didn't get the impression Sarek died before his time or had many years left in him.

 

[Nyotarules]

not necessarily. after a few generations, would the Vulcans living on Earth would still identify themselves as "from Vulcan" or wouldn't they more likely see themselves as Earthlings? Vulcan was the place their forefathers lived, there's maybe still a hint of cultural heritage sprinkled through the community, but as time progresses, that may be perceived as very long ago and not relevant for the current generation of immigrants

The humans who lived on other planets but Earth still considered themselves humans just not Earth humans. Perhaps off world Vulcans consider themselves Vulcans from Earth, just as Humans born and raised on Vulcan consider themselves Humans from Vulcan.
Burnham lived on Vulcan from age 10 to when she joined the Shenzhou, that might be ten years but she considered Vulcan her home, not Earth.

 

[Nyotarules]

I'm still thinking environmental message. It's their normal activities that caused the catastrophe. It'll probably be revealed that the Federation new about it and didn't change their ways. Seems like a good message for our times. We're just before our own "Burn" might start if we don't change our ways.

Burn, baby burn, Federation inferno!
Burn, baby burn, burn that mother down.

Was that a member of Morn's (from DS9) species we saw in the episode?! Could that have been Morn himself who somehow used the Orb of Time to travel to the same time period Michael did?

Cos only humans have a population of billions but Lurians only have Morn???

I know he had Bendii disease or whatever, but I didn't get the impression Sarek died before his time or had many years left in him.

Yes, Sarek lived past 200 years, not bad for a Vulcan.

Tuvok, as a counter example, if I'm not mistaken, while having a career in Starfleet, also (and I might want to check Memory Alpha on that, because it has been a long time since I suffered through VOY) spent a much higher proportion of his life on Vulcan itself and was, relatively to Spock extremely young looking for a Vulcan his age.

Vulcan black does not crack
In real life adults in the 1960's looked older than their 1990's counterparts, due to diet and a lot of them smoked.

 

[BillJ]

I settled on a 7 for the episode after watching it a second time. Still don't think The Burn makes a lot of sense from its explanations thus far, but find Martin-Green and Ajala a great duo with a lot of chemistry between them. Though the old guy at the space station bothered me a bit. Why not reach out to the Federation starships that go through his section of the galaxy at some point before Burnham showed up?

 

[fireproof78]

This being just the first episode, they are setting up subsequent episodes in which the answers to her questions will be part of the over story being told. Maybe the full explanation of The Burn will ultimately make sense to us or maybe it won't, but we don't have enough information yet to know that.

Precisely this. I get that people want answers but this feels (to me anyway) like wanting to know that the Indiana Jones is going to find the Ark of the Covenant and knows it will melt faces off before he leaves the jungle.

 

[DaveyNY]

Lithium is used as an efficient method of storing antimatter, which allows dilithium to travel long distances without the antimatter being lost. you can travel to those planets without using dilithium because they are not far away.

in the time of archar there were 2 million vulcans living on earth, let's go the earth a thousand years in the future for a vulcan it must be like traveling from new york to wisconsin

I'm sorry, but that is completely wrong.

The Lithium/Dilithium Crystals do not "store" antimatter.
They are simply a means to channel and focus the plasma mixture OF Antimatter and Matter through the Warp Core to the Warp Engines.
The Antimatter is stored onboard the starships in special Magnetic Bottles.

This was true even in TOS, when in the episode "Elaan of Troyius" we saw Scotty attempting to use the rough, unrefined crystals from Elaan's necklace in the Enterprises' Dilithium Crystal Rack.

He was attempting to get their alignment just so in the rack, so as to correctly focus and intensify the plasma flow to make the Enterprise's engines actually work well enough to create a Warp Bubble.

Also, this is the reason the crystals have to be "reconstituted" after awhile.
The plasma flow weakens the crystals lattice and they begin to break down.

 

[Tuskin38]

Was that a member of Morn's (from DS9) species we saw in the episode?!

There were several of his species.

 

[jackoverfull]

I settled on a 7 for the episode after watching it a second time. Still don't think The Burn makes a lot of sense from its explanations thus far, but find Martin-Green and Ajala a great duo with a lot of chemistry between them. Though the old guy at the space station bothered me a bit. Why not reach out to the Federation starships that go through his section of the galaxy at some point before Burnham showed up?

probably outside of communication range, since the subspace relays, no longer being maintained, have failed

 

[NCC-73515]

Can i ask

Spoiler

does disco also crash on hima? And how does burnham find them?

Spoiler

They only showed it once, with no option to go back and replay even a few seconds, and without subtitles, so it's very possible I missed it, but as I recall, it was only implied it's the same planet because they immediately crash there after they leave the wormhole, just like Burnham did. They land on a glacier and then walk to a saloon. So the sets and landscape we see are different, but could still be the same planet. I don't wanna spoil how she finds them, cause it's a really nice scene, but if you don't mind, here it is:

Spoiler

Disco is about to get crushed by the growing glacier, everyone's about to die, when suddenly there's a blue glow and they're being pulled out, in a nice nod to how the Shenzhou was saved in the pilot, and the prisoner shuttle was saved in S1E3. The little ship pulling them out is hailing... and it's Burnham, revealing that she's been there for a year. The E3 preview then shows them hugging and reuniting on the Disco.