You’re looking at it from an in-universe perspective, while I am not. But, even in-universe, it’s not like they went there with a plan to steal a bunch of dilithium.
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You’re looking at it from an in-universe perspective, while I am not. But, even in-universe, it’s not like they went there with a plan to steal a bunch of dilithium.
Were Burnham and Book meant to be outlaws? If so, do you think that was a deliberate choice or the side effect of the desire for a big escape and gun battle? Should we expect them to continue killing scads of people? Or will that never be mentioned again?
A script were the black woman is a kick ass action hero and shares screen with a black man who's also a kickass action hero? I'm willing to bet she'd love it.
Maybe. But she says she almost quit TOS despite the groundbreaking nature of her role. Sometimes being better isn’t the same as being good, especially when before was bad.
I don’t think we should accept questionable portrayals without scrutiny because the past sucked more.
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Sometimes an action scene is just an action scene and doesn't require scrutiny. Either it was enjoyed, or not.
Just pointing out bad cops and sleazy journalists aren't something that happened this year.
But yeah, Book is an outlaw. He's a guy that rescues animals from poachers and people looking for an exotic meal .He's taking from the rich like that old English dude did. Burnham is an outlaw by association. Though I'm sure she's okay with that once she found out what Book was really up to.
It's an action adventure show, big escapes and gun battles are a side effect of that. I'm sure more antagonists will be killed because, as mentioned, it's an action adventure show.
That's incorrect.
Remember the first change to the timeline was when Burnham was young.
So the original timeline would have been Burnham's mother disappears in the klingon raid, Burnham dies in the desert, Saru suggests leaving the beacon alone, the Klingon fleet shows up to nothing so blows up the Sarcophagus ship, no war with the Klingons so Discovery never get's built, no discovery and no Klingon war means Control never get's built and the sphere data is never encountered, and then things progress to what we saw in the original series.
I'm having trouble seeing the questionable portrayal, to be honest? They were two minority characters who had a couple of scrapes then worked things out, just like two white characters would. Being fair doesn't equate to putting certain characters in a box where they can never do questionable things or have trouble getting along.
Martin-Green and Ajaya seem to be two good actors with some decent chemistry, if the writers stay on their A game, they could end up being memorable.
Let's just hope they can keep this new direction because it is off to a good start. I don't need Michael Burnham to fall back into season one or two mode anytime soon.
Discovery would've been built anyways and the mycelial network work Statmets was doing preceded the Klingon war.
Determining the proper timeline has become a fool's errand with all the time travel shenanigans.
I think you’re right. It will continue to happen, because Discovery likes this sort of thing. It’s given us rape and torture and murdering Space Hitler delivering funny quips and, now, mass killing with exploding bodies, all while expecting us to tear up when they unfurl the Federation flag at the end.
There’s a disconnect between the Trek values the show preaches and the stories it gives us. We can be better ... but it’s fine if we steal this dilithium and kill a bunch of people in the meantime.
Not sure how her almost quitting TOS figures here. All the TOS supporting players probably wanted more to do. I think she was thrilled by her scene in STIII where she locked a guy in a closet at phaser point so the gang could steal the Enterprise.
So I'm unclear on what she would find objectional in the THIY script. I still have to wonder what is questionable about these portrayal.
Yes, but before the war with the Klingons he was Random Scientist A with no real funding or support.
Star Trek and fiction in general has always had this same disconnect. It takes a few phaser battles, casualties and the occasional theft to get to act four and the peaceful resolution.
ETA: And misunderstanding. Trek loves a good misunderstanding.
I thought the spore drive predated the war. The war just made it a top priority,
We can be better if we choose be. That's been Trek for a while.
It did. The war just showed Starfleet how important Discovery's spore hub drive was and that they needed to exploit it.
You can’t see how those scenes recall tired stereotypes trotted out about black men and black couples all the time? He hits her but she needs him? He leads her into crime? He steals stuff and kills people? If not, I won’t try to convince you further.
There are many positive aspects to Discovery’s portrayal of race, even in this episode. But there were certainly things here that gave me pause. I think of the show positively in this regard, so that made some of these choices stand out more.
But wouldn't Lorca have pushed the developement anyway? After all he was the driving force behind exploiting the tardigrade and stamets I think.
Given that he was from the Mirror Universe and intended to eventually return there to lead the rebellion against Emperor Georgiou I don't think he had any long-term ambitions beyond his own universe and the regime he wanted to impose there. He may have paid lip service to the spore hub drive on our side to further build his own credentials with our Starfleet but I don't think that it was ever a priority other than what it could do for him and his long-term goals.
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