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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

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stumbled across this comment from a MosBef on the world web, and was pleased to see someone who hasn't been braindrained:

Reassuring that some viewers still see thru the commercialized tedium of "the hero's journey" at its most crass and uninspired.
Criticize the show all you want, but leave the remarks about the intelligence of the fans out of it.
One could say the same about the STD gushers who go "the Boreville is for Boomers who vote Trump!"
But no one was saying any of that in this thread, and it has no relevance to the episode, so there was no good reason to bring it up. Please don't do it again.
 
Terrible. The worst episode of Trek ever!
It felt like I was watching season 5 of Andromeda when they ruined the format and had awful planet based stories. If I wanted to watch a Star Wars show I'd subscribe to Disney plus.

Has Burham got temporal narcosis? Why does she keep screaming like a banshee? The only good thing about it was the SFX and the still come on this season teaser.

Very disappointed, but hopefully it'll improve. I can't imagine it can be any worse.
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Worst ever?!?!?
Does Spock's Brain ring a bell?
Code of Honor?
These are the Voyages?
 
Pretty poor all in all. Season two started to win me over, but this was just a bit of a mess.

Firstly I wonder if they are wanting an Emmy tape for the actress who plays Michael. It's like the director went: act more. Now more. Now add 100%. Now double it. It was just overwrought and unnecessary. Be scared. Be angry. Be funny. Be fighty. Now more 100%.

She's a very capable actress, but it just so felt over the top.

Please don't let Book be a love interest. It's just a horrible cliché that if a man comes near a woman that they need to be a love interest. I hope they don't do it.

The humour felt like it was going all Marvel. Fight scene. Joke. Fight scene. Joke. Fight scene. Joke.

America is so damaged right now and that continues to come across in its stories of existential dread.

I mean crying out loud she was walking in some dirty mud and now she's rebuilding the fucking Federation?

She's got tears in her eyes as she's meeting this guy she's known for about thirty seconds.

I don't buy into this.

It comes back to Michael is the Universe. Don't need the other crew even now... it's just Acting Acting Acting to the max and now rebuilding the Federation. Because she is MICHAEL! Hero of all of Star Trek.

My issue with Picard was it was a bit like a wolf in sheep's clothing. Making pretend that it was Star Trek. This episode of Discovery felt like that too. Like a psychopath trying to emulate the humanity of a normal person but not really knowing how to. It tries to say the right things, but they come across as hollow or overwrought. Here you are meant to believe in the UFP. Salute the flag. Cry. The lines about UFP being about hope etc. yada yada yada. If they tell you what UFP is, you'll feel all emotional right? Look we put in a DS9 alien. We know this Star Trek stuff see?

But Star Trek rarely had to explain that. It did it through action. Through the way it acted. They didn't need to stand around flags and cry. Or swear. Or be sassy. Sure they had their speeches. But hey went out, explored, boldy went as good people. And it was never about one person like Discovery feels in episodes like this.
 
I didn't mind the early part of the firefight much - it didn't seem like either side was hitting much of anything. Even the neck snap - though completely unneeded - made sense in letting us know that Book isn't entirely a good guy The later scenes after they beamed out were the part that seemed to be completely out of place tonally.

I think it’s even more serious than that. They stole the dilithium, then killed a bunch of people trying to escape with it. Today, the U.S. would call that felony murder, and you might get a death sentence for it. But please, Burnham, give me another speech about Federation values.
 
"the hope is you commander Burnham".
Might be taking thing a bit too literally.
Really, why they didn't name it "Star Trek Burnham"? I mean Star Trek Picard had less Picard in it than Disco has Burnham. This is not an ironic question or anything, the whole damn show is Burnham.
It's almost like she's the lead character. Nah, that can't be it
To be honest I Fast Forward lots of season 2, did I miss the part where they explained she has any special powers?
She got "special powers" when it was decided she was the lead character.
 
I think it’s even more serious than that. They stole the dilithium, then killed a bunch of people trying to escape with it. Today, the U.S. would call that felony murder, and you might get a death sentence for it. But please, Burnham, give me another speech about Federation values.

That's fairly inaccurate. They returned fire whilst fleeing capture. Burnham was captured and drugged whilst attempting to do a trade, then held at gunpoint with people just about to execute her. The US, which most certainly is not analogous to the Federation, would not call that felony murder.
 
That's fairly inaccurate. They returned fire whilst fleeing capture. Burnham was captured and drugged whilst attempting to do a trade, then held at gunpoint with people just about to execute her. The US, which most certainly is not analogous to the Federation, would not call that felony murder.

They killed a *bunch* of security guards chasing them after they committed a crime. They’d certainly go to prison for a long time. We can debate the conviction they might receive, but it’s still a rather disappointing portrayal of our “heroes.”

You could do a real right-wing read on this episode. I don’t believe that was the intent, but there’s enough thoughtlessness here that I will call it unfortunate. Now, back to making the Federation great again.
 
Some observations:

Overall, I enjoyed the episode a lot. I felt there was a middle third to the episode which was basically a fun action-adventure and not too much else, but that's what Star Trek is supposed to be under Roddenberry's very first description of the series bible in 1966. I think we lost a little of that in the latter Berman years, and we have some of that back now, so Discovery continues to be a strong spiritual cousin to TOS. It also shared some features of the Mandalorian, which is an entertaining but simple story of adventure.

As usual, Star Trek has to have a little bit more...

My main impression of Book was "Han Solo", and that's pretty common I think...and then it was revealed he was more like an onion, with a few more interesting layers. He's not Starfleet or ex-Starfleet but he does have ethics! He hated seeing the environmental destruction of his world and has become a conservationist! You really can't get much more "Star Trek" than that. It was a good moment, and nicely filmed.

Along the way, the buddy adventure does get us a bit more deeply into the two-main characters, and Burnham and Book (Sonequa and Ajala) developed chemistry very quickly. Sonequa showed some range in the latter half of season 1 and moreso in season 2, but here we are getting to see a lot more.

It was fitting they let Burnham exult in the opening, she crash lands on a desolate planet and has no idea if their plan worked and if humanity and the very universe are even alive, so the first sign of lifeforms has to be a relief after all they had been through in the finale. The writers also didn't forget to send back the suit to send the last signal!

We then see Burnham high, and it was kind of a joy to finally see her let loose even if under the influence. Other than possibly "Despite Yourself" this is the first time I can remember her making me laugh out loud.

We also get to see consternated Burnham, and she doesn't stop from letting loose on Book and being the object of amusement after being spit out by a slug....and the slug turned out not to be a horrible menace either, another classic "Star Trek" moment.

This of course brings me to dutiful Burnham, we've seen her before! But here she meets up with Federation Liaison Aditya Sahil, and even though he's not a Captain Kirk style action hero, Sahil has been dutifully manning a relay station, a hero in his own right. He keeps the spirit alive...#WeAreStarfleet right? With meager resources (relatively) and a fragmented, lacking in communication UFP he was awaiting that action hero, and dutiful Burnham showed up...a match made in heaven.

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Needless to say, this ending really made the episode. It was a simpler setup than we are used to from the last 2 seasons, but also it seems like a really noble, fitting one, perfect for adventures of derring-do and acts of heroism alike.

Some questions remain:

Dilithium "Burn"...how and why? I suppose this is half of their mission. It seems like it had to be something accomplished either by an intelligent being or organization or an act of widespread sabotage...this gives me a few suspects, which I based on some observations in the show. I won't reveal them here publicly yet.

Dilithium rarity. It is now used as a currency, but if recrystallization tech is available why didn't they scavenge the remaining bits and do it en masse?

Not every ship is powered by dilithium...Romulans used quantum singularities. It would seem anyone who did not use dilithium would have been poised to come into power. The Roms of course had a bit of a disaster in the past, and probably never recovered fully, but there may have been others??

Cool stuff:

Years ago I said any new far future Trek show should include a few basic things, including a more open acceptance of transhumanism (accomplished, we've seen lots of such acceptance even in the main characters, who are not perceived as odd in any way). More nanotech, catoms or programmable matter, with whole ship interiors capable of morphing shape. So it was my pleasant surprise to finally see some aspects of this in the far Trek future. While they necessarily still toned down the capabilities, it was executed really well by the production.

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My impression is the future is built on the old advanced one, so we still see a lot of tech we didn't in the 23rd century, but we also see civilization as being run down, and probably not progressing much. So the episode managed to capture this duality well.


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The Iceland location was impressive, this episode now ranks up with Picard's "Remembrance" with some of the best cinematography in all the series.

I noticed that there were no white "characters" in the episode, the only white actors had makeup on. That has to be some sort of first. One of my other favorite firsts last season: an all-women away team!

My grade here was an 8/10. I give it an 8.25/10 in my listing. It is below the other 2 premiere episodes of Discovery but still a nice start, and I think the "newness" is appealing to fans.

I'll have a rundown on reaction from around the www on Monday.

RAMA
 
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They killed a *bunch* of security guards chasing them after they committed a crime. They’d certainly go to prison for a long time. We can debate the conviction they might receive, but it’s still a rather disappointing portrayal of our “heroes.”

Sorry, I completely disagree. I just rewatched the scene. She was kidnapped, drugged, and was about to be executed. Fighting her way out, taking massive amounts of fire. Everything she did, other than theft, was in self defence.
 
Heroes fighting rich exploitive capitalists who kill and eat endangered species? Oh wait, the right wing would hate that read . :lol:

Let’s see. We introduce a new Black male character and he and our Black female lead immediately get into a physical confrontation. Despite this, she becomes his companion. He screws her over, then they steal some stuff and get in a gunfight. They kill a bunch of people trying to escape. Now we need to make the present better by going back to the ways of the distant past.

That’s not even a little unsettling? Or at least not very woke by Trek standards?
 
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How on earth is possible for her to be so strong and beat in hand to hand combats, men, klingons etc etc ?
It was kind of ridiculous when she initially fought Book.
To be honest I Fast Forward lots of season 2, did I miss the part where they explained she has any special powers?
I always chalk it up to that she's a Starfleet First Officer. She's Top Gun.

Kirk could beat damn near anybody because he was Top Gun too.

I know Robert Meyer Burnett always says that Star Trek is about the elites. That the people in Starfleet are the elites, are the best of the best. And I guess by extension that means in mind, body and spirit. (Of course, William Shatner was never in what I would call awesome shape, but that's neither here nor there... )

But Burnham is Top Gun. Book, we don't know anything about, and I seriously doubt he's had anywhere near the training Burnham had; it wouldn't make sense for his character. So sure, he could hold his own simply because he's physically stronger than her, but skill-wise, no chance, no contest.

Rocket Girl is motherf*cking Top Gun, son. :lol:

EDIT: just to add an "MF" to it to emphasize the point.
 
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Sorry, I completely disagree. I just rewatched the scene. She was kidnapped, drugged, and was about to be executed. Fighting her way out, taking massive amounts of fire. Everything she did, other than theft, was in self defence.

This. Every bit of this.
 
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