Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[Isaac Lawrence]

I gave the episode an 8, but I think I should've rated it a 9 instead. "That Hope Is You" has good replay value. I liked it more each of the three times I watched.

The first time was the "I have to watch it now! I've waited 18 months!" watch. The second time was the, "I want to watch it again!" watch. The third time was the "I'm going to be more analytical now" watch.

I've yet to watch a Lower Decks episode more than once, even though I liked it. Disco was what I was really waiting for.

Pretty much the same here. I enjoyed Lower Decks, but I never had a desire to watch an episode again.

And Discovery: watch it just to watch it. Watch it again just to watch it. And watch it again to pick up everything. And watch it again because I love this part.

I have to say, at first watch the interrogation drug scene didn't work for me. After watching it over and over it works now.

The Tilly line and "I saved all the things" worked immediately, but the rest took a rewatch or two.

What do you think about the new intro?
I thought that they would change it a bit more, i honestly was a bit disappointed

They could have maybe changed the background color, but since they didn't do that for season 2 I can see why they didn't do it for this season. But each season could keep the same changes in the animation but just change the colors and I would have liked that.

I really like Picard's opening and you can easily see where they're going to change that, with the Borg cube and everything.

One thing on people who don't care for Discovery: I always like to read/watch things that are contrary to what I like because you gain perspective that way, but I see so little of it for Discovery. Most of it is so, like... what the f*ck, really? Like John McEnroe, you cannot be serious?

And the "don't get Star Trek" thing is oh so tiresome.

It seems to me, that there's a section of fans who know all of the minutiae of Star Trek, but somehow missed the message. Part of which is tolerance, and open-mindedness and understanding.

There seems to be a lot of illogical fans and a lot more Spock-like fans would be nice. Be Spock.

Anyway, Rocket Girl is the bestest.

EDIT: I can't type.

 

[eschaton]

I watched the episode a second time last night. And while I do feel a little less irked by the dialogue, I feel a little more irked by the body count in the mid section of the episode.

Going through the action scene:

• We are at a trading post run by the Orions and the Andorians
• After being set up by Book, Michael is taken into custody under suspicion of being a thief. Okay, it's a little surprising that just walking towards a "bank" which is totally open is enough reason to arrest her, but maybe she just doesn't see the augmented reality crud that people with "upgrades" similar to Book see.
• When Cosmo shows up, a three-way standoff between him, Book, and station security begins. which is then broken up by Book and Michael deciding to team up and start firing at everyone.
• Book snaps the neck of an Andorian passed out on the floor in cold blood, and Michael (who is admittedly drugged) just kinda smiles and shrugs.
• Michael decides to steal a bunch of dilithium.
• They beam out, station security starts chasing them, and wave after wave of security agents beam in only to be immediately vaporized, treating them more like video game characters than human beings.
• When they finally end up back at the ship, Book and Michael run into Cosmo, the original two security agents that interrogated Michael, and some mooks. One of the original two shoots Cosmo in cold blood (showing I suppose he is really just a bad guy) and then the giant worm eats the two of them and the other three beam away in terror.

My issue with this whole interchange remains the very casual way that death is treated. I do not mind if death takes place in a show, but to be honest I would prefer some level of gore to this, because then there's some emotional impact to the death. The main issue remains that we have no reason to believe that any of the mooks were really "bad guys." They were station security, and doing their job, attempting to apprehend a pair of thieves. Yet the way the scene is composed we are supposed to believe they were really "bad guys" and their deaths are not even worth considering.

 

[cooleddie74]

Season 3 Michael needs to be a lot like season premiere Michael and if that happens DSC as a whole will get markedly better. So much of the dramatic and emotional drag on previous seasons and episodes comes from how Michael is written and the clunky, grandstanding dialogue she delivers whether or not the story calls for it.

 

[TrekMD]

I really enjoyed the season premiere and I'm looking forward to more! The bit at the end showing what the season brings had me excited.

 

[Precious Tritium]

I watched the episode a second time last night. And while I do feel a little less irked by the dialogue, I feel a little more irked by the body count in the mid section of the episode.

Going through the action scene:

• We are at a trading post run by the Orions and the Andorians
• After being set up by Book, Michael is taken into custody under suspicion of being a thief. Okay, it's a little surprising that just walking towards a "bank" which is totally open is enough reason to arrest her, but maybe she just doesn't see the augmented reality crud that people with "upgrades" similar to Book see.
• When Cosmo shows up, a three-way standoff between him, Book, and station security begins. which is then broken up by Book and Michael deciding to team up and start firing at everyone.
• Book snaps the neck of an Andorian passed out on the floor in cold blood, and Michael (who is admittedly drugged) just kinda smiles and shrugs.
• Michael decides to steal a bunch of dilithium.
• They beam out, station security starts chasing them, and wave after wave of security agents beam in only to be immediately vaporized, treating them more like video game characters than human beings.
• When they finally end up back at the ship, Book and Michael run into Cosmo, the original two security agents that interrogated Michael, and some mooks. One of the original two shoots Cosmo in cold blood (showing I suppose he is really just a bad guy) and then the giant worm eats the two of them and the other three beam away in terror.

My main issue with this whole interchange remains the very casual way that death is treated. I do not mind if death takes place in a show, but to be honest I would prefer some level of gore to this, because then there's some emotional impact to the death. The main issue remains that we have no reason to believe that any of the mooks were really "bad guys." They were station security, and doing their job, attempting to apprehend a pair of thieves. Yet the way the scene is composed we are supposed to believe they were really "bad guys" and their deaths are not even worth considering.

I mean, aren't these the same guards who were gonna publically execute Michael despite having no real proof that she had anything to do with their cargo being stolen? They seem like pretty "bad guys" to me. What, did due process explode when all the dilithium did too?

The deaths did kind of bother me and I wish it had been addressed in some way, even if it had been some throwaway piece of dialogue, but I still feel Book and Burnham were entirely justified in shooting their way out of there.

 

[eschaton]

I mean, aren't these the same guards who were gonna publicly execute Michael despite having no real proof that she had anything to do with their cargo being stolen? They seem like pretty "bad guys" to me. What, did due process explode when all the dilithium did too?

I don't recall that. Cosmo wanted to kill Book, and he was told by security that no guns were allowed inside. He then said Book stole his cargo, and was told he couldn't shoot Book unless he got the cargo back first. Then he made some comment like "Fine, can I shoot her then?" We then see a tiny shot where the Andorians also have their guns pointed at Michael...but Book is in the same general direction. To my mind they were being held up at gunpoint. It was not implied a firing squad was immediately going to happen. Security might have - perhaps - allowed Cosmo to kill Burnham in cold blood, but they were not about to kill Michael themselves.

The deaths did kind of bother me and I wish it had been addressed in some way, even if it had been some throwaway piece of dialogue, but I still feel Book and Burnham were entirely justified in shooting their way out of there.

I didn't mind the early part of the firefight much - it didn't seem like either side was hitting much of anything. Even the neck snap - though completely unneeded - made sense in letting us know that Book isn't entirely a good guy The later scenes after they beamed out were the part that seemed to be completely out of place tonally.

 

[Precious Tritium]

I don't recall that. Cosmo wanted to kill Book, and he was told by security that no guns were allowed inside. He then said Book stole his cargo, and was told he couldn't shoot Book unless he got the cargo back first. Then he made some comment like "Fine, can I shoot her then?" We then see a tiny shot where the Andorians also have their guns pointed at Michael...but Book is in the same general direction. To my mind they were being held up at gunpoint. It was not implied a firing squad was immediately going to happen. Security might have - perhaps - allowed Cosmo to kill Burnham in cold blood, but they were not about to kill Michael themselves.



I didn't mind the early part of the firefight much - it didn't seem like either side was hitting much of anything. Even the neck snap - though completely unneeded - made sense in letting us know that Book isn't entirely a good guy The later scenes after they beamed out were the part that seemed to be completely out of place tonally.

Yeah I think it’s just a matter of us reading the scene differently. I just saw it as the guards and Cosmo kind of collectively shrugging and pointing their guns at Michael.

I haven’t watched the episode since Friday so I’ll defer to you on this one.

 

[DaveyNY]

Is Q inert?

Heh ... Only when he's not around Janeway.

 

[Discofan]

I really enjoyed the season premiere and I'm looking forward to more! The bit at the end showing what the season brings had me excited.

We didn't see Michael's mom in these (pre) recaps. I wonder if they'll just forget about her and never mention her again. I hope not.

 

[Noname Given]

While it remains to be seen, I find it very unlikely the season arc will be "Michal Burnham saves the day and reinstates the Federation." She may be a bit of a catalyst, but unless you're talking about someone along the lines of Alexander the Great - who just conquers everything - a single person cannot set up a large government all by themselves.

Prime Universe Captain James T. Kirk and Mirror Universe Spock would disagree. (See the end of TOS Season 2 -"Mirror, Mirror".)

 

[eschaton]

We didn't see Michael's mom in these (pre) recaps. I wonder if they'll just forget about her and never mention her again. I hope not.

Why would Michael's mom even exist in this future? She went back to the lifeless future of Control, which then ceased to exist right?

 

[Noname Given]

Why would Michael's mom even exist in this future? She went back to the lifeless future of Control, which then ceased to exist right?

But without Michael's mom existing, Michael would never have gained access to or learned how to use the Red Angel suit; and as Michael's mom was the entire reason that the U.S.S. Discovery encountered the Sphere, which downloaded its data onto the Discovery's computers...

(I hate temporal mechanics...)

 

[DaveyNY]

She literally says:



Absolutely none of that was needed. Not one bit. The scene would have worked better with her just glancing over her survival pack, the camera showing a pained look which shifted to determination, and then her grunting as she got up and walked. Indeed, I think the stillness and silence would have worked much better as a contrast to the furious pace of the action earlier in the scene. Everything that needed to happen fast has happened, and now things can happen slowly.

People do sometimes talk to themselves a bit of course. I've found that in periods where I don't see anyone for long periods of time I'm much more apt to talk to myself, muttering occasional sarcastic comments to no one in particular under my breath. But by Michael's own perspective, she just said goodbye to everyone minutes ago. But what kinda messed up weirdo just repeats their name, rank, and serial number over and over? Is it supposed to be some kinda centering process?

Obviously, you've never been in a state of shock after being involved in a near-death experience like a car crash or an uncontrolled crash landing on a planet.
(personally, I've only experienced the former, but the latter must be even worse)
Anyway, the first thing I did was take stock of my bodily functions and parts, quite loudly according to the friend who was in the car with me (he was driving).
He too was carrying on a conversation with himself out loud.
After crawling out of the upside down vehicle and while walking away from the accident, we both were also thanking God vocally over and over for our survival.
Obviously, Burnham's Star Fleet training gave her something else to focus on after breaking down completely and expressing her emotions out loud.

 

[Phily B]

I really hope they stay the fuck away from "universe/galaxy ending" level threats for a bit.

Especially when it happens within a single season, every time. It's the worst aspect of CBS Trek.

 

[Noname Given]

I really hope they stay the fuck away from "universe/galaxy ending" level threats for a bit.

Especially when it happens within a single season, every time. It's the worst aspect of CBS Trek.

Well I think you're in luck because at the start of season 3, as far as the Federation is concerned the Galaxy has already ended.

 

[Lord Garth]

I really hope they stay the fuck away from "universe/galaxy ending" level threats for a bit.

Especially when it happens within a single season, every time. It's the worst aspect of CBS Trek.

I think you might be in luck. The Burn already happened. So they're not fearing for or preparing for something that's going to happen, it already did, so they're trying to figure out happened before. So the narrative flow of this season looks it'll move in the exact opposite direction of the other two.

EDIT: Beat to the punch by Noname Given.

 

[Yistaan]

away from "universe/galaxy ending" level threats for a bit.

Especially when it happens within a single season, every time. It's the worst aspect of CBS Trek.

That boat already sailed. :P The writers decided to just end the Federation and be done with it and have the characters pick up the pieces this time instead of trying to prevent it like they did in the past.

When a franchise goes on long enough, writers become bent on just destroying everything. Over at that other Star franchise, they weren't content to just destroy the Republic again, but also the Jedi.

 

[tomalak301]

Season 3 Michael needs to be a lot like season premiere Michael and if that happens DSC as a whole will get markedly better. So much of the dramatic and emotional drag on previous seasons and episodes comes from how Michael is written and the clunky, grandstanding dialogue she delivers whether or not the story calls for it.

I'm hoping for a Sisko effect with Michael. Change in look (Long Hair for Burnham, no hair/beard for Sisko) means a change in personality.

 

[Phily B]

I don't mind that, the Federation has retracted as a result of the burn but I think it is still around when it comes to the core worlds. I'd rather not see them fix the entire Federation by seasons end, or even the shows end.

 

[Tuskin38]

Female Cardassian spotted

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