Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[fireproof78]

Well its just my observation, but people usually stop talking about star wars with me as soon as i tell them that my favourite character is jar jar

Meh, I have been with SW groups were they would at least acknowledge that people could stick with their own thing. I see it, rarely, with the hate watching in SW but many just move on. In Star Trek? Hate watching is apparently a must...

Stuff happens. Maybe there's a reason they can't "whip them up". We've only been in the 32nd Century for one episode.

I am trying not to be the hyperbolic asshole right now but this thread has made it difficult because we are one episode in and people are already going "Well, what about this? And this? And this?"

Am I the only one who is willing to fucking wait and see!?

Shit, hyperbolic asshole came out.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Meh, I have been with SW groups were they would at least acknowledge that people could stick with their own thing. I see it, rarely, with the hate watching in SW but many just move on. In Star Trek? Hate watching is apparently a must...


I am trying not to be the hyperbolic asshole right now but this thread has made it difficult because we are one episode in and people are already going "Well, what about this? And this? And this?"

Am I the only one who is willing to fucking wait and see!?

Shit, hyperbolic asshole came out.

Hate watching is an idiotic behaviour and a total waste of time and energy. If you hate Discovery but insist on watching it just to bitch about it, you really need to assess your life. Maybe get some hobbies or set some goals, you know?

 

[thribs]

10 pages in... How does someone get a commission in the Federation? Not Starfleet, the Federation.

That was just a mistake in the script.

 

[Fateor]

You are correct, you initially mentioned powering the warp drive - I went with alt methods of travel. I still think the overall picture makes a lot of sense. As I mentioned earlier, massive galaxy-wide destruction of infrastructure, ships, people, etc. left the Federations and other planets devastated. So in the 120 years, they probably have been looking for new methods of storing and expending massive amounts of energy needed for the warp drive, at the same time they are reviving older FTL methods. But without the organized, stabilizing, and technologically homogenizing presence of the Federation, each region probably develops their own workarounds. In this area, they have been working with the remains of dilithium. Maybe they don't have the scientists and engineers available to build the new system yet. Elsewhere, who knows?

But the Romulans already had a way to do that eight hundred years ago...

Am I the only one who is willing to fucking wait and see!?

The writers no longer get the benefit of the doubt after seasons 1 and 2.

 

[fireproof78]

The writers no longer get the benefit of the doubt after seasons 1 and 2.

Mileage will vary. I ain't about to assume the worst after one episode.

 

[thribs]

It's always been a thing.

I know. From Enterprise, Future Tense. STO explained it a little further saying that it was a layer of sub space inside the ship that makes it bigger.

 

[kirk55555]

This was awful. Its literally just Andromeda, but without a giant asshole as the main lead. The alien redesigns are still pointless and horrible (those "Andorians" are almost as bad as the "klingons" from seasons 1 and 2, only being slighty better because I can at least identify them as a shitty version of Andorians). The new human guy sucks, the premise sucks, the writing sucks, basically everything was awful.

As someone who warmed up to STD in Season 2, I'm jumping off here. Hopefully the Pike show, if it gets made, resembles some version of Trek, this was just torturous to watch.

 

[thribs]

Giant asshole? This has Michael Burnham.

 

[Lord Garth]

The writers no longer get the benefit of the doubt after seasons 1 and 2.

Oh. So you're gonna be the one this season. That's good to know. We've got 13 weeks to work with, so I'll put my feet up and kick back. No need to dive in now.

 

[eschaton]

I dunno, I'm willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt when it comes to worldbuilding and the status of interstellar travel. That part of this episode didn't bother me at all. There were two things that really, really continue to bother me about the episode though.

• Michael's weird "talking to herself" spell when she crash-lands on the planet. This scene had two big issues for me. One, real human beings don't talk like that. People sometimes mutter under their breath and the like, but we typically don't go into extended internal monologue telling ourselves to walk and the like. Two, it was entirely unnecessary. One of the few key things in scriptwriting is less is more, and the scene would have been just fine with almost no narration (except when Michael was talking back to the computer). SMG is a powerful enough actor to get across a feeling without words after all. So it just seemed like completely inept scriptwriting.
• The scene almost immediately following it, where Michael goes from fighting Book, to begging him for help and tagging along in like a total 180. She has a survival kit on her...why not at least try and walk and see who else she can find? Look, I get it, the writers wanted to find some way to railroad Book and Michael together. But I have to believe there was some less clumsy meet-cute than this.

If those two scenes were fixed, I think I would have enjoyed the remainder of the episode much more. But since they were a major portion of the first act, it kinda broke my immersion in the episode, and made me look at everything that followed in more of a critical lens, rather than just getting swept up in the story.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh. So you're gonna be the one this season. That's good to know. We've got 13 weeks to work with, so I'll put my feet up and kick back. No need to dive in now.

I don't know. I think we'll see more sooner now.

One, real human beings don't talk like that.

Today I learned that neither my wife nor myself are real.

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't know. I think we'll see more sooner now.

Eh. Either way. I'll wait 'til this new season, new setting, and new showrunner has a body of episodes. Then it's not "Yes it will!" "No it won't!" "Yes it will!" "No it won't!"

 

[fireproof78]

Eh. Either way. I'll wait 'til this new season and this new setting has a body of episodes. Then it's not "Yes it will!" "No it won't!" "Yes it will!" "No it won't!"

Honestly, might be worth sitting until the end. The reckless speculation has already worked up in to a frenzy.

 

[eschaton]

Today I learned that neither my wife nor myself are real.

She literally says:

Hydration Pack, Emergency Ration Pack, Phaser, Delta Shield
Commander Michael Burnham, Starfleet
Commander Michael Burnham, USS Discovery
Serial number...
Science officer, USS Discovery
Serial number...
Stand up.
Walk.

Absolutely none of that was needed. Not one bit. The scene would have worked better with her just glancing over her survival pack, the camera showing a pained look which shifted to determination, and then her grunting as she got up and walked. Indeed, I think the stillness and silence would have worked much better as a contrast to the furious pace of the action earlier in the scene. Everything that needed to happen fast has happened, and now things can happen slowly.

People do sometimes talk to themselves a bit of course. I've found that in periods where I don't see anyone for long periods of time I'm much more apt to talk to myself, muttering occasional sarcastic comments to no one in particular under my breath. But by Michael's own perspective, she just said goodbye to everyone minutes ago. But what kinda messed up weirdo just repeats their name, rank, and serial number over and over? Is it supposed to be some kinda centering process?

 

[TimeTravellingWhale]

I hope if we see gorns, that they will look like the TOS gorns, i always liked that design.

 

[eschaton]

Another weird thing about the scripting in this episode...Michael "pulls a Data" and doesn't use contractions:

It was not my intention to crash into your ship
I am sorry.

The weird thing is she switches right back to more natural dialogue just a few lines later.

Just comes across a bit sloppy IMHO.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I know. From Enterprise, Future Tense. STO explained it a little further saying that it was a layer of sub space inside the ship that makes it bigger.

I was referring to the fact models and sets don't always line up. Is that something that was apparent in Future Tense? Anyway it goes back further than Enterprise.

those "Andorians" are almost as bad as the "klingons" from seasons 1 and 2, only being slighty better because I can at least identify them as a shitty version of Andorians

Looks the same as what was seen in DISCO 1&2
How is Michael an "Asshole"????? She's may be many things, but I've not seen anything asshole like.

I dunno, I'm willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt when it comes to worldbuilding and the status of interstellar travel. That part of this episode didn't bother me at all. There were two things that really, really continue to bother me about the episode though.

• Michael's weird "talking to herself" spell when she crash-lands on the planet. This scene had two big issues for me. One, real human beings don't talk like that. People sometimes mutter under their breath and the like, but we typically don't go into extended internal monologue telling ourselves to walk and the like. Two, it was entirely unnecessary. One of the few key things in scriptwriting is less is more, and the scene would have been just fine with almost no narration (except when Michael was talking back to the computer). SMG is a powerful enough actor to get across a feeling without words after all. So it just seemed like completely inept scriptwriting.
• The scene almost immediately following it, where Michael goes from fighting Book, to begging him for help and tagging along in like a total 180. She has a survival kit on her...why not at least try and walk and see who else she can find? Look, I get it, the writers wanted to find some way to railroad Book and Michael together. But I have to believe there was some less clumsy meet-cute than this.

If those two scenes were fixed, I think I would have enjoyed the remainder of the episode much more. But since they were a major portion of the first act, it kinda broke my immersion in the episode, and made me look at everything that followed in more of a critical lens, rather than just getting swept up in the story.

I had forgotten you were a "fixer".

 

[eschaton]

I had forgotten you were a "fixer".

Please elaborate. Are you saying I like to nitpick?

 

[Lord Garth]

Honestly, might be worth sitting until the end. The reckless speculation has already worked up in to a frenzy.

I agree.

But I'll toss one out that just occurred to me. I get the sense these characters we see in "That Hope Is You" probably know what Tuesday is. In "Calypso", Craft asks, "What's a Tuesday?"

So I'm excited to find out how we get from Point A to Point B. Whether it happens in this season or not.

One important detail is that Sahil only has sensors that can scan so far. If it's similar with everywhere else, there are probably entire pockets of what's left of the Federation who have their own way of doing things and might even only remember fragments of Federation society at large.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Please elaborate. Are you saying I like to nitpick?

Nah you like to rewrite and make "better". It's okay, my best friend does the same.

Am I the only one who is willing to fucking wait and see!?

I am. Surely there are more of us out there. Sadly the need to "gotcha" the writers out weighs patience