Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[cultcross]

Back on the "part 1" thing…whay Part 1? Is there going to be a Part 2 later in the season? Is it a name…Burnham is called Part 1 and Discovery Part 2?

I'm guessing the finale will be part II. They're already playing that game this season with Unification III

 

[jackoverfull]

Is there code for that in the script like when they used to write "insert technobabble"?

this made me laugh: when book goes “they sprayed you with the stuff” did they forget to replace “stuff” with something?

Um, no. The suit contained a download of all the Sphere Data that Control wanted to get its 'hands' on. The plan was always to have the suit snap back to the future (to break that cycle where control always knew the time and place it would return to); and then Burnham would send it hurtling forward through the timestream for eternity so that Control would never be able to get it; and thus biological intelligent life in the Universe is saved; but Burnham is trapped where she lands; but hopefully she would be reunited with her mother.

That's why when the suit AI stated, "The wormhole is closing..." Burnham jumped up quickly to program and send the suit off into it before it closed. Had it closed, that part of the plan would have been screwed.

Wait, she clearly asks the suite to self-distruct after sending the signal, though!

 

[rhllot]

the founding planets of the federation should always be united since as I said they are all relatively close with a warp 5 ship like Archer's you could travel to those planets without problem in a short time

 

[Noname Given]

this made me laugh: when book goes “they sprayed you with the stuff” did they forget to replace “stuff” with something?

Wait, she clearly asks the suite to self-distruct after sending the signal, though!

And Captain Christopher Pike tried to destroy the U.S.S. Discovery via its self-destruct system, but the Sphere Data was able to stop it. That's the entire reason this plan that we see executed at the end of season 2 and start of season 3 was hatched. That said I guess Burnham figures it doesn't hurt to try again.

 

[cultcross]

Um, no. The suit contained a download of all the Sphere Data that Control wanted to get its 'hands' on. The plan was always to have the suit snap back to the future (to break that cycle where control always knew the time and place it would return to); and then Burnham would send it hurtling forward through the timestream for eternity so that Control would never be able to get it; and thus biological intelligent life in the Universe is saved; but Burnham is trapped where she lands; but hopefully she would be reunited with her mother.

That's why when the suit AI stated, "The wormhole is closing..." Burnham jumped up quickly to program and send the suit off into it before it closed. Had it closed, that part of the plan would have been screwed.

Ok, I'm confused. How was she sending the final signal to Spock if she was sending the suit into the future?
And I don't remember the suit having a copy of the sphere data in it, but I may be wrong. If it did, self destruct wouldn't work, I assume, as it didn't on Discovery.

What she says in this week's episode is:

"Set temporal coordinates 5-4-9-9 section 16 course heading 214 mark 5, initiate final signal upon closure of spatial rift, then initiate self destruct sequence. Activate propulsion now. ”

The coordinates don't make much sense to me, but certainly my impression was that she was sending the suit back in time to signal Spock as per the "previously on" then destroying it. It's certainly not traveling infinitely through the time stream if the spatial rift will close.

 

[jackoverfull]

Ok, I'm confused. How was she sending the final signal to Spock if she was sending the suit into the future?
And I don't remember the suit having a copy of the sphere data in it, but I may be wrong. If it did, self destruct wouldn't work, I assume, as it didn't on Discovery.

Exactly…The sphere data is in the suit or in Discovery now? In both? If it's in the suite I though self-distract wouldn't work…

 

[cultcross]

I thought the data was in Discovery's computers, which is why they "had" to take the ship into the future.

 

[valden]

I give the episode a C, the writing was average and straightforward, sort of generic. However Burn and Michael raised the bar for the episode and Burnham has more chemistry with Book than she did with Tyler.

 

[jackoverfull]

I thought the data was in Discovery's computers, which is why they "had" to take the ship into the future.

Me too…But there was that odd downloading into the suit as well

 

[cultcross]

Me too…But there was that odd downloading into the suit as well

Let's just assume that season two's ending makes no sense at all and just take it as read that they're in the future now and don't have the suit. A wizard did it.

 

[jackoverfull]

Let's just assume that season two's ending makes no sense at all and just take it as read that they're in the future now and don't have the suit. A wizard did it.

Well, this is my attitude towards most of the first two seasons anyway…

 

[Ometiklan]

They have a story group.........I don't see your examples being that big of a deal and your "what if" didn't happen. It's no more an issue than Kirk talking various evil AI into committing suicide in just 3 seasons of TOS......

I don't think there's a miscommunication, but LD paying homage to the Picard S1 finale and to DSC with the creature sucking Burnham. Remember, DSC was supposed to air before LD but post-production was delayed due to covid and thus the Boimler scene ended up referencing an episode that hadn't aired yet... I suspect.

I was mostly joking about the overlap, it is just coincidental that they had these overlapping story points. Maybe they did coordinate it and both mentions in LDS were supposed to be references to DIS and PIC, but it doesn’t read that way to me. I will be looking forward to some confirmation from the showrunners. But for my money, these shows were all in production at the same time, so they could have (but again doesn’t seem likely to me that they did) talked with each other about these points. I think they are accidentally stepping on each others’ toes a little. My point about the Picard “what if” was just meant to ask the question of what if there was a major plot point that they didn’t share, that would have really messed stuff up.

Watched it again and wound raise my 7 to an 8 or 9.

But - you’re stranded on a random planet with no immediate sign of help. Why would you get rid of your magic super high tech still kind of working suit? The one with scanner and shields and subspace communication?

I know send Spock a signal. But really? Seems more important to have the capability.

She could also send that signal at any time. It’s a time machine

Not if the whole point was to get the Sphere data away from Control and prevent it from destroying existence. The more time you futz around with a working time machine, the greater chance the badguy might get access to it – see Back to the Future part 2 with old Biff.

I’m sure they could find more power. There’s no rush

Uh, like in the end of last season when they literally couldn’t find a reasonable power source for it until they realized they knew the one person in the known galaxy (Queen Po) who had just invented a tech that could do it? Who knows if any of that tech is still available?

They say that all time travel tech has been banned but who is enforcing that law? Who will stop them from using it?

very valid question, we’ll see (or probably we won’t, actually).

I would think the people with access to time travel tech, who are actively destroying all time travel tech could enforce the ban (that is the point of having a time police). Though there is chance a piece or two of tech will slip through undetected.

Back on the "part 1" thing…whay Part 1? Is there going to be a Part 2 later in the season? Is it a name…Burnham is called Part 1 and Discovery Part 2?

They must have a Part 2 planned?

I'm guessing the finale will be part II. They're already playing that game this season with Unification III

Trek has this habit (started in DS9) of naming the two parts of a two-parter differently (which I find annoying). Next week’s episode is part 2. It’s a two-part season opener, just like in DIS season 1.

Um, no. The suit contained a download of all the Sphere Data that Control wanted to get its 'hands' on. The plan was always to have the suit snap back to the future (to break that cycle where control always knew the time and place it would return to); and then Burnham would send it hurtling forward through the timestream for eternity so that Control would never be able to get it; and thus biological intelligent life in the Universe is saved; but Burnham is trapped where she lands; but hopefully she would be reunited with her mother.

That's why when the suit AI stated, "The wormhole is closing..." Burnham jumped up quickly to program and send the suit off into it before it closed. Had it closed, that part of the plan would have been screwed.

The Klingons still on Borath, guarding all the time crystals that are needed to power the technology?

And Captain Christopher Pike tried to destroy the U.S.S. Discovery via its self-destruct system, but the Sphere Data was able to stop it. That's the entire reason this plan that we see executed at the end of season 2 and start of season 3 was hatched. That said I guess Burnham figures it doesn't hurt to try again.

Ok, I'm confused. How was she sending the final signal to Spock if she was sending the suit into the future?

And I don't remember the suit having a copy of the sphere data in it, but I may be wrong. If it did, self destruct wouldn't work, I assume, as it didn't on Discovery...

I thought the data was in Discovery's computers, which is why they "had" to take the ship into the future.

I don’t think it had the Sphere data, it was just to keep the time travel device away from Control.

 

[arch101]

I know it would make things too easy, but, wouldn't you assume that Fed outpost guy has a library computer with complete Federation records up to The Burn? Every starship in every previous Trek seems to. Would fill in a lot of blanks for Burnham.

 

[Visitor1982]

I'm guessing the finale will be part II. They're already playing that game this season with Unification III

Outside is the name of the finale. There is no Part 2, which makes it very weird...

 

[cultcross]

(it's like opening a parenthesis and then

 

[Jadeb]

(it's like opening a parenthesis and then

Antici ...

 

[ananta]

Just watched on Netflix and I have to say I thought it was a smash! I’m so glad the reaction is so positive.

I was nervous upon hearing that the first episode only featured Burnham, not because I don’t like her, but because part of DSC’s joy is the dynamic of the cast and it’s interaction. Also, I remembered that Farscape began its fourth season with Crichton alone and away from the rest of the crew and it was a really dull way to start a season. But this hooked me from the start and kept me fully engaged up to the genuinely touching final scene. Given the current state of the world (specifically, as a Brit, the whole Brexit situation is pretty much our Burn), the hope and humanity that radiated from that scene was hurt beautiful. I needed it.

Sonequa MG was superb, no other word for it. Burnham went through the full gamut of emotion, and it was beautifully performed. The location work was spectacular, I LOVED the glimpses of future tech (I seriously want an alarm bird!), digged the Blade Runner inspiration in the city scenes, and think Book is a great addition to the series. After season one I thought I’d miss Lorca terribly, only to all but forget him after getting to know Anson Mount’s Pike. Now Book seems a good replacement to fill the Pike-sized hole in the series. And, dammit, DSC surely must have the downright hottest cast in Trek history.

Really glad to have Disco back and something to look forward to every Friday.

 

[Happenstance]

After just having read through all the Voyager relaunch books and it featuring heavily in those I was excited to hear quantum slipstream and benamite crystals mentioned.

I know it'll most likely come across and fan servicey but I do hope we get more nods to other parts of Trek history this season.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Um, no. The suit contained a download of all the Sphere Data that Control wanted to get its 'hands' on. The plan was always to have the suit snap back to the future (to break that cycle where control always knew the time and place it would return to); and then Burnham would send it hurtling forward through the timestream for eternity so that Control would never be able to get it; and thus biological intelligent life in the Universe is saved; but Burnham is trapped where she lands; but hopefully she would be reunited with her mother.

That's why when the suit AI stated, "The wormhole is closing..." Burnham jumped up quickly to program and send the suit off into it before it closed. Had it closed, that part of the plan would have been screwed.


The Klingons still on Borath, guarding all the time crystals that are needed to power the technology?

The suit never had the sphere data, only Discovery did. The suit was built to open the wormhole and so burnham could guide the ship through. Burnham sends the suit into the wormhole from the future to send the final signal to spock.

 

[Scout101]

It was good, I enjoyed it. Interesting premise, so let's see what they can do with it.