Yeah, she also said that Kurtzman told her not to worry about it.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"
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You're probably right. Those kind of episodes play much better when binged.
Definitely, this is a true modern update of the original bridge. They knocked it out of the park with that set design.
All of these episodes are the first of 2 parts. However, this episode is the 13th chapter of a 14 chapter story. That's how I looked at it. And I put my self in them mind for that while I was watching it. That's why I teared up at the Sarek family farewells.
They know it hasn't infiltrated the Enterprise, that's a pretty clear point of delineation.
So, one ship. Okay. What about the armada it does have under its control?
An example where Discovery got it perfect, imo, is the Sphere Episode (An Obol for Charon) it is extremely important to the overall season arch, yet it is a wonderful episode on it's own.
Agree completely; that's an arc episode with its own story and stands by itself well. Choose Your Pain is a season 1 example.
DS9 told long story arcs, hence my inclusion of A Time to Stand and Dogs of War. All of their arc episodes also stand alone well as a week's story. Late season Discovery, both years, does not - you get this talky episode before the finale that is just setup for it. You could easily have had roughly the same arc beats and had a framing story about the planet or the Queen, just by cutting out all the endless goodbye scenes.
There is another interview:
https://intl.startrek.com/news/tamara-deverell-enterprise-discovery-finale
Then, I really wanted to color-code. So, I was playing a lot with the colors of the Enterprise. There are actually variations [of the red-orange] in the Enterprises . That's very distinct, and I went through the archives at CBS to look at those colors and try and match them, but in a new way. We were bringing in the Discovery feel, but also using materials and methods of building it that were new to us, like metal powder coating — metal pieces that are powder-coated create a really rich color and strong basis to build the set. We experimented with it on the Enterprise, and I think we’re going to use it more in Star Trek. It looks more like a ship than just using wood and plaster."
We couldn’t help but laugh out loud when Georgiou walked in and complained, “Orange? Really? Ick!" Was that scripted, or ad-libbed by Michelle Yeoh? And, either way, what was your reaction?
TD: That was scripted. The Enterprise had different colors. They changed it over time. The way it was lit, sometimes it looked really orange and sometimes it looked very red. The orange we’d picked, which was the original orange, was really red.
[So] I actually went to the writers and said, "I'm uncomfortable with this line." I did this whole layout of the different oranges and the red we decided we were using, and all of that. We had powder-coated this metal in this red, so there was no going back. I went on and on and on. Alex Kurtzman wrote back, saying, "This is why we love you, Tamara. It's okay. We're gonna say orange. It's okay, don't worry." It was just a funny story. I loved Michelle’s line, but to me, like any production designer would think, it was all about, “Do I have the right color?”
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My take on it and the bit you posted is that they looked at the TOS colours and took an "orange" variation most people would call red. And thanks to the new material (metal powder coating) and better lightning and cameras, it looks totally red without any kind of orangeness on TV like it did on TOS here and there.
"The Shipment(ENT)" is another example of a setup episode that works brilliantly on its own even without the following episodes dealing with disrupting the flow of resources necessary to complete building the Xindi superweapon. Completely separated from the search for the weapon it would still work as a low-key, relatively quiet story focused on character interactions.
Completely forgot about that
They're all (IIRC) specifically section 31 ships, which suggests Controls' sphere of influence is limited to that which would have been Lelands'. One might even very reasonably speculate those ships would have operating systems and intership networks partitioned from the rest of SF given their very nature.
Right now, we can split the Motor Cycle Helmet into multiple parts if we wanted to, but for structural integrity reasons, we usually keep it as one or 2x pieces. Not the Go-Go Gadget CG-fest that is their Space Suit Helmets.
Is right now the 2250s? Last time I checked it wasn't.
I wrestled with giving this episode either a "3" or "4" rating. Ultimately, I decided to be generous and gave it a "4".
First and foremost this episode was largely millennial EMO shite. There were some good moments. Some dramatic moments. All sadly overshadowed by "professionals" who apparently now require group hugs and participation trophies before "taking one for the team." My God, I wish they would have resurrected General George S. Patton just so he could slap them all in the face. The histrionics verged on Monty Python satire. Easily the overall worst episode to date.
First and foremost this episode was largely millennial EMO shite. There were some good moments. Some dramatic moments. All sadly overshadowed by "professionals" who apparently now require group hugs and participation trophies before "taking one for the team." My God, I wish they would have resurrected General George S. Patton just so he could slap them all in the face. The histrionics verged on Monty Python satire. Easily the overall worst episode to date.
My feeling as well. Felt like they could've sheared a good thirty minutes off and we wouldn't have missed anything of importance to the plot.
I liked the relationship when it was beginning in Magic; brought back some real-life memories. But I have to agree that, ever since, the lack of passion is apparent. It seems to me that both actors are holding back in their canoodling scenes together.
And they already did the deed in the MU.
To obliterate Control they cross the two signals and then, you guessed it, TOTAL PROTONIC REVERSAL!
Disagree, I think all these moments were very worthwhile.. and I’d rather have them in the first part so that the second part can focus on progressing the story and action more...
