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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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But the two episodes that teased it, were both done After the original season 2 producers were fired.

I'm fine with giving them the benefit of the doubt, but that's a very charitable view unless there's evidence there was a big change in plans. That they managed to lay the groundwork for evil Ariam tells me that they could have thrown in a little character work for her, and I suspect they could have done so well before these last two episodes. Not the end of the world, but what we got was not as good as it could have been.
 
Saying your joke sucked is not being offended, sparkly.

FTFY....Why is one of his jokes like a vampire from Twilight? Because they both suck!

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I have been thinking a lot about Peck's version of Spock, because there has been something I haven't been quite able to put my finger on. Now I think I've found a way to articulate it. To me, he comes across as 'undergrad MIT Spock'. There is a certain type in institutions like that who take logic and science and use them in arrogant and standoffish ways. Not all, but some. I will wait to see how the character evolves over time, as scripted in Discovery and played by Peck. It may be that Spock comes across as he does right now because he is protecting himself....as may be the case with some of the students at places like MIT. A kind of insulating barrier against the assumptions some other people make about intelligence, capability, etc.

In any case, it should be 'fascinating' to see how it plays out....
 
Thats offended me as it was a huge step back in terms of presenting the strength of women on TV, Burnham should have saved herself in that example, pike saving the day was just to placate Alt-right manbabies

I don't think that's true at all. It was done to be a foundational element in securing the trust between Pike and Burnham that needed to be established after the Lorca twist.
 
That was almost certainly the intention. But with the right equipment and information, anything can be hacked. Consider that we're hacking the code of organisms to make them do things we want them to do, and that certainly wasn't the behavior they evolved to / were created for (depending on your philosophy there ;) ). Consider that your keyboard - not even the computer, but just the subprocessor in your keyboard - is more advanced than any processor used to in the space shuttles, FAR more advanced than the computers used to calculate the moonshot.

Airiam's machinery almost certainly had diagnostic connections - probably wireless. But even if they were not wireless, and even if they had no diagnostic connections at all, they still had to be able to communicate with the NON-computerized parts of her in order to be useful to her. And there's a point of access. And the future AI that took her over knew its target and had 600 years of tech advancement and knowledge of cybernetics. It would be like asking IBM's Watson to figure out a simple 1-to-1 character-replacement cipher, only probably even more so. Honestly, as a computer tech, myself, I'm half-jokingly thinking the hardest part might have been figuring out the proper approach to take if someone had failed to keep proper archives of the documentation on her augment equipment in the intervening years. ;)


OK that's very well thought out and thank you for posting. I guess I didn't take into account some of those things, and diagnostics especially where they'd have to hook her up to something to see if any problems exist, yeah that's another good point so anything like diagnostic ports etc, would have been a natural entry point.

OK now not so upset with that it makes sense.
 
Weird though, to call this episode Project Daedelus, and only mention it once..... in the last three minutes.....

I'm guessing that we'll learn more about it in the next episode. Last we saw, Discovery was disabled near the S31 HQ and their mission was to disable Control. The didn't complete their mission and they can't go anywhere else anyway. So, logically that's what they'll be doing next episode.
 
That's an interesting wrinkle. But why would a logic extremist want to wipe out the galaxy? Take control of the Federation and push the UFP more towards logic, I could see. And it seems to be working by the 24th Century where Humanity becomes less passionate. But galactic mass-extinction is something else. There's a missing piece of the puzzle. The Extremist Admiral might have wanted to start something, then whatever it was went horribly wrong.

Living organisms do all that pesky illogical stuff.

They are extremists. They might want to return the universe to a pure state or a something.
 
Sorry, but I feel Ariam´s death was brought by mammoth-sized plot holes. Writing-wise this was the first real disappointment of the season 2.
 
I couldn't agree more, I also thought "Sherlock" when watching him this episode. It's a pity because in theory, I like a lot of the stuff separately (the learning disability, drawing skill, Peck's acting) but not when put together. He just felt like another "troubled boy genius" character which is a complete mischaracterization imho
But "troubled boy genius" has been (among) Spock's characterization(s) since at least as early as "The Naked Time" (TOS). He's one of the templates upon which characters like Cumberbatch's Sherlock were based to begin with! As Moffat himself said of his own creation: "He's repressed his emotions, his passions, his desires, in order to make his brain work better—in itself, a very emotional decision, and it does suggest that he must be very emotional if he thinks emotions get in the way. I just think Sherlock Holmes must be bursting!" And as Roddenberry said of his in The Making Of Star Trek: "One of the reasons Spock is an interesting character [is] the turmoil and conflict within. As half-human and half-Vulcan, he is continually at war within himself...somewhere inside him there is a strong, emotional Earth man trying to come out."

-MMoM:D
 
I'm guessing that we'll learn more about it in the next episode. Last we saw, Discovery was disabled near the S31 HQ and their mission was to disable Control. The didn't complete their mission and they can't go anywhere else anyway. So, logically that's what they'll be doing next episode.

Well sure, but why call THIS specific episode Project Daedelus, if it has nothing to do with it? Call it..... Infiltration for all I care, but name the next episode Project Daedelus, since it seems to actually deal with said Project.
 
It as sweet and cryptic as I remember. And I'm sure that "Zora" is Airiam's first or original name.
How to explain the wildly different accent, though? Not saying it can't be done, but as this is something I have a degree in, it interests me.
 
How to explain the wildly different accent, though? Not saying it can't be done, but as this is something I have a degree in, it interests me.
I don't know what role Airiam's memories might or might not have played in Zora's emergence, but she was ultimately her own creation, and had spent a millennium actively "evolving herself" into what she was by the point of the "Calypso" short. That could explain almost anything, if they wanted to write it that way.

-MMoM:D
 
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Yeah, so GR did the Mary Sue thing with Wesley, as we all know. But you can't argue that a lot of everything that Burnham has done has been wrong, causing much death and destruction. That's not a Mary Sue.

No fucking way was Wesley like G.R. Else he would've been all over the young ladies on that one episode (the one where he broke the law by stepping on the grass) instead of shying away from it. No way would G.R. have turned them down.
 
No fucking way was Wesley like G.R. Else he would've been all over the young ladies on that one episode (the one where he broke the law by stepping on the grass) instead of shying away from it. No way would G.R. have turned them down.
That was Wesley when he was young and unsure of himself (it was only the 9th episode of the first season). Observe him in "Evolution" or "The Game". In this (thankfully) deleted scene from Nemesis, he flew at the ladies at warp speed as soon as they were in visual range.

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We really should ban the term "Mary Sue" for a simple reason: it's evident that (putting aside what its meaning should really be) it means something different for everyone. So, every time someone use it, the following pages in any given thread are monopolized by other people who explain to the OP why s/he wrong, and the latter who debate why s/he is really right. Ad libitum.
 
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