No, it wasn't, and no, it didn't. Burnham is still plenty strong - they had her doing Kirk-fu, fer cryin' out loud - but everyone needs help now and then, and it is SEXIST to have a problem with that help coming from Pike just because of his gender.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"
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Almost a parody of feminism. I hope that's what it's meant to be.
Classic example of "you can't please everyone."
Your preference for having Burnham save herself is perfectly valid, but if Burnham had done so -- pulling herself up and finding her own way off of that asteroid after after getting those crash survivors off of it -- a certain percentage of people would have been complaining that it was a "such a Mary Sue move."
But of course if Kirk or Riker would have done the same and saved themselves after saving the others, people would not have thought twice about it.
Would you say it was a long road?
What? How? Burnham had a molten piece of debris sticking out of her upper leg, and clearly couldn't move. I would have wanted to be rescued by Pike as well in those circumstances.
They had faith.
Firstly, the Bajoran Wormhole wasn't in Federation space. Secondly, the circumstances there were much the same as during the Klingon War. The Dominion was poised to take over the entire Alpha Quadrant, and at the time it was perceived to be their only option. They even tried to permanently collapse the Wormhole first, and only resorted to mining the entrance after that attempt failed. Desperate times, desperate measures.
As for moral objections, Ezri did refer to the Jem'Hadar's concealed "Houdini" mines as "a nasty piece of engineering" in "The Siege Of AR-558" (DS9), for what it's worth.
CONTROL had taken over her motor functions, and hacking her was said to be beyond the capabilities of Our Heroes™. Beaming her back onto Discovery would only be giving it another chance to carry out its objective. Not a good idea.
Surely her suit would have been calibrated to the composition needed in conjunction with the breather, so how would that help without it? (Besides, as others have said, her helmet could have been damaged when Airiam threw her. We saw that they are prone to malfunction in the season opener. I'd say that's why in the coming decades they will go back to a good old-fashioned separate and non-articulated piece of the ensemble.)
In TWOK, Kirk's order to Yellow Alert causes Saavik to "energize defense fields" around the bridge, but they explicitly "still haven't raised their shields" yet, which Kirk then orders after they're already at that alert status. I'm sure there are other examples, too.
I think Yellow Alert basically just means to use heightened caution and prepare for potential danger, taking whatever preliminary precautions are suited to the circumstances at hand. Depending on the situation, an order to raise shields sometimes comes in conjunction with one, or waits to come with a Red Alert—which signifies that the danger is no longer potential but actually present and/or imminent—and even then, it doesn't seem to be automatic. Why bother to say "Shields up; Red Alert!" if the latter order includes the former by default?
By now that should be obvious enough without being stated, I'd say. I was just happily surprised to see this seldom-seen capability from "Wolf In The Fold" (TOS) make a return!
As for whether Spock knows or not, I rather thought that was left a bit ambiguous, since their reactions are both silent. That he melded with her as a child and she carries part of his katra doesn't necessarily mean she can "presume to know Sarek's mind" in the present, and this might be exactly what Spock is getting at. Perhaps this is an argument they've had before, and a mutual sore point, and that's why neither of them bother to rehash it out loud? Don't get me wrong here, I lean toward your interpretation, but I wouldn't regard the matter as entirely settled yet.
As long as they're not in Starfleet, because Mordock in "Coming Of Age" (TNG) was said to be the first. (Of course, there were others such as Mendon from "A Matter of Honor" [TNG], who was part of a temporary officer exchange program, so there could potentially have been previous cases like that, I suppose.)
I must say, this made me somewhat suspicious of Nhan. She seemed to be shadowing Airiam the whole time, keeping a close eye on her movements, and yet never reported any concerns. And ultimately she blew Airiam out of the airlock just as she was about to explain the significance of the episode title to Michael. Maybe it's naught but paranoia, but I feel a twinge. Still a bit wary of Cornwell, too, for that matter. She did lead them right into it all...
I had the same thought regarding Spock's failure to think of something "unique" about himself compared to other Vulcan-Human hybrids. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with Michael being the Angel, whether it turns out to be her or not. (That it could be Airiam is an interesting thought, though. It could of course be none of the above as well.)
-MMoM
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Exactly. All over the place, I see people asking, "why didn't they just beam Airiam into Discovery's brig?" As if the Control-controlled Airiam wouldn't be able to break out of the brig somehow. Heck, we saw Michael break out in the second episode of season one, as someone else pointed out.
It's like many people only watched the episode but didn't listen and/or comprehend.
I feel your pain
I haven't a fucking clue what A : "Calypso" is, and B : what a fucking "Mary Sue" is
Calypso is one of the four 15 minute "Short Treks" released in between the first two seasons of Discovery. they are available on CBS all access, and I was under the impression that they were available on international Netflix as well.
As for "Mary Sue", you're better off not knowing...
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I'm watching Discovery on Netflix, and I don't seem to be able to find these Short Treks for Season 2, all of the Shorts for Season 1 are there, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.
There has only been one set of the shorts released between the two seasons. Four episodes -- one focusing on Tilly, one focusing on Saru, one focusing on Harry Mudd and one set a thousand years in the future, which is the episode Calypso that we're talking about.
38 pages long....can't read every post, but did anyone ask why they couldn't beam Airiam aboard, either while in the airlock, or afterwards? I kept waiting for an attempt to have been made.
Edit-it has been asked. But, surely she's got an off switch! Can you turn her off and on again
Control can't puppet her tech if its switched off.
Edit-it has been asked. But, surely she's got an off switch! Can you turn her off and on again
Control can't puppet her tech if its switched off.
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Nothing in the episode. My guess is that they simply didn't think they would be able to control her once they had her aboard.
Those ready room videos are blocked on our side of the world. Says "not available" when I click on it.
The hacking really bothers me. Shouldn't those implants of hers be made to only work for her and not anyone outside of her body?
The hacking really bothers me. Shouldn't those implants of hers be made to only work for her and not anyone outside of her body?
It as sweet and cryptic as I remember. And I'm sure that "Zora" is Airiam's first or original name.
Wouldn't that be a surprise if we ever find that out?
So disappointed.
Next episode they shoot her body into space. I'm crying
