Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Mar 14, 2019.

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  1. Franklin

    Franklin Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I thought that about Pike, too. The difference may be that Ariam was severely injured in a shuttle accident and Pike was a victim of radiation that did irreparable damage. :shrug:

    The real question is, how common was Ariam's treatment after her accident? Accidents happen, as they say. Are there others like her? It may have been experimental from the beginning. Further, there would be ethical issues. Did they get her permission to do what they did? Is someone automatically given the type of life they gave her if needed, or do they get to refuse it?

    Another question would be why the treatment wouldn't make the person look a bit more cosmetically human (or whatever species the person was). That is, more like they once were.
     
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  2. JD

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    I hope Detmer gets an episode with a bigger focus on her soon. Owo got the episode where they go down to the colony, and now Ariam got this one, so of our bigger supporting characters that just leaves Detmer to get her own episode.
     
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  3. Rahul

    Rahul Commodore Commodore

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    Well yeah - that's what it is. If you're painting a picture - most people will start looking at the broad strokes, and then go into the details. If the broad strokes is a well-known meme - people will judge the entire painting as it, even if the lines are drawn differently. If you're painting an original picture though - that's when people start looking at the finer details.
     
  4. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

    Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I certainly hope she doesn't have to die in said episode, though. I adored the tiny bits we got of her this week.
     
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  5. eschaton

    eschaton Commodore Commodore

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    Season 1 was not really attempting to be GoT in space. Not in the slightest. Game of Thrones is noted for having an epic scope, loads of characters, lots and lots of character development via one-on-one dialogue, many different factions - all of which are a different shade of gray - sniping around an existential threat...and stupidly gratuitous use of sex and nudity. Discovery's first season had none of those things at all.

    Game of Thrones in Space is quite obviously The Expanse.
     
  6. Alan Roi

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    I guess that's if people enjoy memes more than anything else or need them to do their thinking for them or as their cheat sheet to orient themselves. And after as many decades on the planet as I've had, I don't find much enjoyment in letting memes push me around, as they are too inaccurate to get much of a buzz from. There are only so many stories to be told, IMHO. The enjoyment for me is the finer details, so that is my starting point, not my end point.
     
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  7. Mr. Adventure

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    "That bullet would've been fatal if it hadn't ricocheted off this metal piece in my head. Let me tell you the story of how I got it... *wooh ooh wooh ooh*
     
  8. Sakonna

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    I was OK with it here, but I truly hope this isn't the beginning of a Walking-Dead-like pattern of tertiary characters having their first showcase episode also be their death episode. That's a storytelling structure with RAPIDLY diminishing returns. And just when the new actress won me over!

    The stakes of the Section 31 story were defined in such an odd way. With everything going on, the most important thing to do is... regain access to the threat assessment AI? That seems like it should be a few more items down on the to-do list, especially since Cornwell's OTHER position was that Section 31 was pushing them to be TOO reliant on Control for their decision-making. Which one is it -- do we want to not get hooked on this AI, or is the most important thing to save the universe to regain immediate access to this AI?

    Ethan Peck is really wowing me as Spock, though both Tyler and Culber were missed this week.

    Maybe Nhan's transfer to security was not the best idea, given how easily she can be completely disabled. Though I loved that she's Barzan, I hadn't made that connection before. If they want to resurrect briefly-seen TNG aliens with breathing apparatuses, let's get a Benzite! The modern reinterpretation of that alien design could be great.
     
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  9. Alan Roi

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    The Expanse does have some obvious similarities with GOT
    Which I guess is why The Expanse gets such unbridled praise. Its doing Game of Thrones in Space right!
     
  10. Rahul

    Rahul Commodore Commodore

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    That is probably the laziest justification for unoriginality possible - that pops up the most reliable everytime something is exposed to legit criticism, even if it's only for minor things.
     
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  11. Rahul

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    I think part of the problem is that they have never explained what a "logical extremist" actually is. Like, what is their motivation? What are their views and goals?

    When the concept was introduced in "Lethe" I was thinking "Huh? That is interesting! I wanna' know more!" And no, a season later, they have repeatedly appeared and played larger roles - and we still don't know anything more about them. That's why they feel more like a plot device than a legitimate fraction at this point. I hope we will get to know them actually better in the future.
     
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  12. Alan Roi

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    Tripling down now. This is definitely the attitude of someone who wants to avoid the details like the plague.
     
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  13. Rahul

    Rahul Commodore Commodore

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    Huh? So far you are the guy that only ever delivers one-liners instead of arguments when challenged.
     
  14. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Captain Red Shirt

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    And yet another attempt to spread a meme. Awesome. False. But Awesome in your sticking to your process.
     
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  15. CorporalClegg

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    And it's bunk. I would agree there's a finite (small even) number of plots. But plots =/= stories.

    To put it another way, the total sum of human experience can probably be broken down and divided into a small number of relatively similar plots. But every person has their own story.

    Good writers find engaging stories and engrossing drama within the plots available to them.
     
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  16. Rahul

    Rahul Commodore Commodore

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    Dude, honestly, if you disagree with me - that's perfectly fine. But goddamn write a post where you actually lay down why. Just writing "nu-uh" and expecting everyone must immediately assume your position because of that is really childish. I've written quite a few lines in response to you earlier - and all I got as an answer were your stupid meme-references. I can't read your mind, so I don't know what you actually think, beyond "quadroupling down".
     
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  17. Alan Roi

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    I did say why I disagreed with your Sheldon/Sherlock meme and pointed out my reasoning. You just completely ignored it and carried on with your meme. Its on the same page where you repeated the meme "Man of Steel" turned Superman into Batman. Which is also highly inaccurate.
     
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  18. Franklin

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    This episode sure passed the Bechdel Test, too. For what it's worth, the only talk at all about relationships was between Spock and Stamets and passing remarks between Burnham and Pike.

    The show has no shortage of strong female characters up and down the cast.

    The only real beef I have with the episode is it seemed Saru cracked the case a little too easily, and one wonders why someone didn't think of that earlier. But that happens.
     
  19. Noname Given

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    When you start seeing gratuitous sex and nudity (and IMO there's nothing wrong with that at all as I like that in GoT over the years ;)) in Trek let me know, because that aspect was sorely missing for a "Game of Thrones...IN SPAAACE!" :rommie:
     
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  20. eschaton

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    I mean, I don't think The Expanse is anywhere near as good as early Game of Thrones was. Though it's much better than the show is now. One of the things it consistently gets right is the pace tends to be slow except around the climax of the season. There's lots of scenes where two characters are basically shooting the shit, either getting along or sniping, which don't have anything at all to do with the plot of the week. These shots work to establish who the characters are and their relationship with one another. It's not like Discovery now totally lacks these scenes - the interaction between Stamets and Spock was a great example of this. But for some reason Discovery would prefer to fill air time with expository dialogue or shakeycam rather than real human interaction (unless the plot absolutely requires it for the week).