Not really, it just means they may be the same, we haven't heard differently.
surely the appearance of the old D7 design unaltered has put that nonsense finally to bed?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"
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Nah this episode was legitimately atrocious on every conceivable level, from technical to writing to acting. Discovery imo has never had the best acting, but the actors in this episode were extremely stiff and frankly bad even by this own show's standards. Plot was all over the place, the dialogue was just atrociously written with non-stop boring sterile, clunky exposition dumps, The camera man I could only assume was on a combination of meth while blowing a 0.40 Blood Alcohol rating, things like just pulling the spore alien out of Tilly without even asking what it wanted or assessing even if it was safe to do so was ridiculous and done clearly to just keep another Lost style "mystery" going, the S31 garbage already eye rollingly terrible and completely missing the point of S31 (everyone knows about it now even the Klingon Chancellor lol no, just stop please)
New Eden wasn't the best Star Trek episode, the writing especially towards the tail end started to show some cracks (Particles are now asteroids? Particles causing nuclear winter? Discovery can't move the particles/Asteroids due to gravity but can move a far more dense dark matter asteroid which has such dense gravity that it can pull all the other particles/asteroids away?), but it was a legitimately decent Star Trek episode and was decently directed and the acting and most of the dialogue and plot was fine. This episode though holy god, legitimately a trainwreck, I think it may actually be a contender for not only the worst Discovery episode, but damn near one of the worst Star Trek episodes.
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Writing began on the second season in December 2017. So yes, Kurtzman had the plan that each season would be "about a different thing", meaning the Federation-Klingon War would last a season, but that doesn't mean the producers and writers ignored audience reaction when writing season 2. Nor does it mean the free-wheelin' quip frenzy of episode 1, season 2 was decreed from on high in early 2017. One example, Silly Tilly (or Stilly as she was known at Musk Junior High) was popular with Disco fans, so we've already gotten a season's worth of Tilly wackiness in 3 episodes.
Shows like this generate lots of concept art. That's not proof the hair was definitely going to be implemented. I'm not saying you're wrong, maybe there is an early preproduction memo that's been made public, wherein Neville says he's totally gonna go crazy with Klingon hair in season 2.
I don't need the whole story told at once, but once you tell the audience Spock is a psycho killer, it's a bit hard to care about the indie rock bassist guy who's crashing at the Klingon chancellor's castle.
It reminded me more of Ghostbusters.
And Burnham instantly knowing Tilly was possessed by an alien because her hallucination didn't understand crying? No, I am not invoking the dreaded Mary Sue complaint, but that was just baaaaaad writing. Or at least very weird writing.
On the positive side, Kol-Sha was a real hoot. Sadly he was shot with a bubble gun and stabbed to death. While far lesser beings like Voqler that bassist bum were allowed to live...
Kane said the same thing; did you two watch a sort of reader's digest version of the episode, because that isn't what happened on screen?
Yes. Maybe I wasn't clear enough on that. I meant L'Rell was acting like -- for the sake of fooling the council -- that they were real heads. Sorry for any confusion
But as I said, that scene immediately told me that the baby's head was NOT real (and I mean "real" or "not real" as per the fictional story) because I don't think this show, or just about any TV show, would cross the line and graphically show what the in-universe story tells us is a real severed baby's head. The idea of a seeing a character holding a baby's head, one that the fictional story is telling us is a real head, is probably too thematically disturbing for almost all TV shows -- even if just part of a fictional TV story, and obviously just a TV prop.
True, what we actually see graphically on the screen is the same no matter what (I mean, the same production prop would have been used even if they wanted to go the "real" route with the story being told), but somehow it is not as thematically shocking if we, the audience, find out that the fictional character of L'Rell wasn't really holding her fictional baby's head.
The distinction is subtle, but I think it matters to the people making the show.
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To offer my two cents about the morality of dealing with Tilly's parasite, it was quite obviously putting her at a medical risk, sentient or not. It's perfectly sensible that they decided to extract it as she was already going crazy from it, and it's also perfectly understandable that she herself wanted it out of her head. I think what they did was the sensible thing to do: avert the immediate risk, contain the situation then figure out what to do with it later. If we really have to make comparisons to how past Trek would've done it, I don't think they would've decided any differently. I admit, it would probably have been treated as a medical emergency, but it probably would've happened as, let's say, the Doctor extracting the parasite from Harry, containing it in a force field, then working with Seven to find a way to communicate with it. Or the same way with the parasite in O'Brien, and Bashir working with Dax in the lab.
Right now, we've just contained it, and we've already seen in the trailer for the next episode that this is not over yet. Were this Voyager or TNG, this plotline would've probably been resolved in the episode it was introduced in, but it was already obvious in Season 1 that Discovery isn't going to be like that. It just reminds me of how people were complaining about using the tardigrade, and how this show wasn't really Star Trek because the tardigrade was obviously just treated as a pack animal and nobody cared about the morality of it, either as animal abuse or as the torture of something potentially sentient, and then all of it was addressed and resolved right in the next episode.
Right now, we've just contained it, and we've already seen in the trailer for the next episode that this is not over yet. Were this Voyager or TNG, this plotline would've probably been resolved in the episode it was introduced in, but it was already obvious in Season 1 that Discovery isn't going to be like that. It just reminds me of how people were complaining about using the tardigrade, and how this show wasn't really Star Trek because the tardigrade was obviously just treated as a pack animal and nobody cared about the morality of it, either as animal abuse or as the torture of something potentially sentient, and then all of it was addressed and resolved right in the next episode.
If the producers and writers cared enough about the griping from a few disgruntled fanboys online, "Point of Light" never would have been made.
That's my whole point.
Producers know what any reasonable person knows: fans watch, producers produce, writers write.
Can anyone guess who the guy in the room is who gripes online and thinks his typing is going into a magic CBSAA suggestion box? While you're at it, why don't you wander into a football forum and say that the Patriots are going to need to chip with their backs and TEs more today in order to keep the pass rush off Brady? I'm sure Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels are looking for fan input on their game planning.
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It’s not the first time it’s happened in the franchise.
It isn’t unaltered. They changed it up a bit in a few places, noticeably the neck.
It is altered. Much like the Enterprise, the proportions and details are different but the general shape is the same.
Michelle Yeoh seems to think that Section 31 is unofficial and unauthorized
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The neck is armoured and segmented instead of just a long tube
Yeah the nacelles are longer too.
Or perhaps they think they can cynically get Star Trek fans to shut up with bottled standalone episodes like magic to make the sanest man go mad and New Eden, while making little visual adjustments like mentioning viewscreens again and giving the Klingons hair, while still doing their own trend chasing crap like the rest of Discovery.
It's clear they're listening to the fans, every episode of S2 so far has had very blatant callouts to fan issues, the problem is that they're not fixing what is fundamentally broken with the show and just dealing in some small surface level fixes. Like I said with S2E1, it's a terribly written, laughably stupid, tonal mess episode with no meaningful plot whatsoever and shares most of the worst issues of S1, but it's clear they cynically tried to appeal to fans with surface level stuff like a lighter tone, the TOS style uniforms, cleaner space shots, brighter lighting, getting crew to actually mention their names and Pike saying "lets have some fun".
I honestly just don't believe the suits behind Discovery really have all that much respect for the audience and fandom, Discovery is a very corporate product trying to chase trends (GoT and Lost for story, Mass Effect and Star Wars for Aesthetic, BSG for tone) and stuff like New Eden and the "fixes" they've engaged in really just seem like cynical throwing a bone to the fandom to try keep them watching without actually fixing the fundamental issues behind this series.
The severed heads didn't bother me, btw. The Klingons are supposed to be extreme and even gross on occasion: they eat live worms, they drink "bloodwine," they like rough sex, they batter each other with pain-sticks, they have mind-rippers and vicious monster-dogs, etc. Severed heads are at most a difference in degree not of kind. Shocking is kinda the Klingon's thing.
And, honestly, a couple of severed heads is pretty tame by modern standards. Forget GAME OF THRONES; severed heads are a staple of Halloween horror decorations, old Vincent Price movies, etc. I get that not every Trekkie is also a horror buff, but a severed head or two are not exactly beyond the pale and haven't been for decades. You had severed heads on DARK SHADOWS back in the sixties, and that was on daytime TV.
Severed heads aren't exactly uncommon in the real world, much less a fantasy one involving a vicious warrior race
For all of DSC's issues, this one seems like a pretty petty and minor complaint tbh. It's not like Star Trek hasn't been pretty gory or violent before (*Cough* Conspiracy *cough*) and frankly, I've never understood the big hoohah around the Klingon stuff in Discovery honestly beyond the atrocious fleet design. It's not like Klingons were the deepest of races in other Trek shows. Basically just drunk Vikings/Samurai thugs. DSC's Klingon problem isn't the hair or violence or even the crap ship design, it's that they're just tediously boring, they drag down the show every time they appear.
Shouldn't the big Klingon problem in this nightmare of an episode be that the Klingon's know about S31?
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