Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Jan 28, 2018.

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  1. Cyrus

    Cyrus Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Interesting clip from next episode shown in After Trek:

    Admiral Cornwell and Sarek Comandeer Discovery looking for Lorca. They figured out he is from MU? We see PU Andorians and Tellerites.
     
  2. GeekUSACarl

    GeekUSACarl The Last Starfighter Fleet Captain

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    This isn't a fanfic, in the USA there is nothing exotic about the name Michael, unique for a woman but not exotic. In fact unless you live in a country with no black women there is nothing exotic about her at all

    I don't find her having a set of rare or implausible set of talents or gifts. She is a scientist who happens to know vulcan martial arts. In a sci-fi setting that isn't ery unique.

    I doubt this is an idealized version of the author and doesn't to me seem much like wish fulfillment.

    I think some of you are way overthinking this. And when the smoke clears I think it'll be this was a bit of a vocal mimority.

    The show has problems but green and this magic mary-sue character is just in your imagination.
     
  3. XCV330

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    I suspect at least part of the plan was shelved, though I suspect there had to be some coherency from episode 3 on. There are facets that work pretty well leading up to the reveal. Now these last two episodes, I suspect were tacked on, maybe CBS decided (wisely) NOT to end on a cliffhanger.
     
  4. Akiraprise

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    Right. Nothing against the guy personally. Just don't think he's suited to this format of show. At least it's not just me thinking this!
     
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  5. Top41

    Top41 Vice Admiral Moderator

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    Wow!! I feel like that's been my reaction to the end of the last two episodes before this one, but man--my jaw keeps dropping. I did NOT think they'd kill Lorca in this episode. I kinda figured he'd be done after this season but not dispatched so quickly in this episode. I'm going to miss him--I wish there had been an episode between the reveal and the climactic showdown so we could have gotten a little more time with Mirror Lorca knowing he was Mirror Lorca.

    But I enjoyed what we got and I LOVE that Burnham got to save Mirror Georgiou. Love, love, love that, both for the story possibilities and the fact that Burnham in a mirror sort of way got to save MU Georgiou in a way she wasn't able to save her Georgiou.

    I do have a bunch of questions though. So did Prime Lorca cross with MU Lorca during that ion storm transport and die on the MU ship that blew up? I'm assuming he's dead... but if he's not maybe Jason Isaacs could pop up again. Loved him on After Trek. I love how he has zero fucks to give. It's beautiful.

    Another question: did the Emperor's ship get blown up when Discovery destroyed the MU spore drive (or hub--can't remember the term they used for it)? Or is Landry going to be Emperor now?

    And last, where was Ash?? What's going on with his Klingon/human hybrid brain???

    Excited for next week's episode. I gave this one another 10!
     
  6. SolarisOne

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    Point goes to @eschaton for pointing out the inherent shortsightedness of that particular plot point.

    I grimmaced and facepalmed my way through the episode.

    "SJW" is the new "Mary Sue". No one actually knows what it means, and they use it to describe everything they don't like.

    This 1,000,000 times this. Screw the 23rd century.

    Yes. Early Dukat is the way you do a Trek antagonist well.

    Eddington was a bit more clichéd than Dukat, but also a good antagonist.

    I'm a sucker for intense martial arts scenes. And for intense martial artists. :adore:

    Everyone's the protagonist of their own story. ;) This just didn't happen to be Lorca's story.
     
  7. TheMadCloner

    TheMadCloner Commander Red Shirt

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    Picard was more of a Mary Sue than Burnham is.

    A captain who defuses nearly every situation with his special brand of diplomacy? That's wish fulfillment.
     
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  8. marsh8472

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    wish they would have said they were now in the 25th century at the end
     
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  9. GeekUSACarl

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    No it isn't demonstratably false.

    If you're telling me the only one not done filming was the very last episode then my entire statement holds true.

    They weren't giving you a sjw black woman statement week to week in spite of you conplaining on comment boards as these episodes were already filmed.

    You're acting like they just kept deciding to shove it down your throats despite your best efforts to let them know how much you didnt like it.
     
  10. ClintDagger

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    I don’t think anywhere did I suggest they could have changed stream in the middle of season 1. I think everyone knows that isn’t possible. I’m merely suggesting that I hope they see that Lorca largely carried the show once he was introduced and that a heavily Burnham centric series without someone like Lorca to lean on probably won’t be long lived.

    Everyone I know IRL that watches the show doesn’t watch it like you and I do. They don’t post on sites like these or read much about it on the net. They all think Isaacs is the show lead and are probably going to be confused as hell after tonight. Now, that’s just the people I know so it’s anecdotal. But I bet others will chime in with similar experiences. My point is that IMO Isaacs was the only actor in the series to date to really bring a series lead type performance. If he’s gone for good, the rest of the cast will either need to really step up or a new cast member or member(s) will need to be introduced to keep this show rolling. That’s just my opinion based on the 13 eps I’ve seen.
     
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  11. Tim Thomason

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    If the ISS Discovery isn't in Prime Time, where the hell is it? Was it just kicking back on Wrigley's Pleasure Planet while Michael and the gang destroyed the Charon?
     
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  12. GeekUSACarl

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    Well it was the point of the comment you replied to and part of the discussion as well.

    Either way i dont know one person who thought Lorca was the show's lead.
     
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  13. Caretaker

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    We already knew that from "The Conscience of the King". Could this be what Bryan Fuller was referring to with the "incident in the history of Starfleet that had been talked about but never fully explored" comment?
     
  14. eschaton

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    My point is just that your claim about the story already being written by the time that SMG and Issacs were cast is false. Large portions of the story were almost certainly incomplete, if not entirely missing, by that time. They certainly could have tweaked the scripts to account for the differing strengths of the two actors as the season wore on.

    I don't like SMG's performance much, but honestly I haven't had any real structural issues with the focus on her character since the start of Act 2. They've already turned it into a semi-ensemble piece where Saru, Stamets, and even Tilly are as integral to saving the day.

    My issue with this show is the writing is dumber than a bag of rocks.
     
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  15. Agony_Boothb

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    This.

    Isaacs was cast for a specific reason, he's character actor who specialises in playing villains. Lorca was conceived as a villain from the outset and they got someone who had the chops to play an amazing, charismatic villain, because that is what they wanted. Jason Isaacs has been acting for almost as long as Sonequa Martin-green has been alive. I'm sure Martin-Green would probably agree that she was overshadowed by Isaacs and I'm sure she would also say that she had zero problems with it, because she got to learn from an actor with 30 years worth of experience. The notion that there is some 'SJW' conspiracy to oust a white male lead because he is overshadowing a lead woman of colour is pretty ludicrous.

    The criticism toward Green isn't that different from the criticism that Kate Mulgrew received. I think there is a fair segment of the fan base that do not like seeing women front and center. It's fine for them to be Counselors or Doctors but shit hits the fan if she does stuff that boys do and orders men around and pushes some apparently threatening feminist narrative.
     
  16. TrekNut87

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    I'm somewhat disappointed, yet OK, yet expected what happened tonight. I knew Lorca wouldn't last long, given recent events, but I was kinda hoping that they'd stretch him at least one more episode. Then again, I'm not going to rule anything out just yet as I want to know where or what happened to Prime Lorca.

    Also, holy violence lol. That's not a complaint, just surprising. I know Disco as a whole has been more violent than it's predecessors, it was taken up about three notches tonight. That and I guess I've just become so used to the most violent thing in Trek being Neelix dumping a plate of spaghetti on Paris that this is a nice change. :lol:

    I think I love Stamets. He's an absolute dork, but he knows what he's doing. Was really nice to see Doug Jones get to use his chops a bit and inject some confidence in Saru.

    Burnham kind of annoyed me tonight. Somehow, I think bringing Georgiou with her is going to be a bad decision...

    We'll see
     
  17. 137th Gebirg

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    It actually seems to be of the same class as the USS Yeager (NCC-1437), the Cardenas-class, that was destroyed at the Binaries.
     
  18. Tim Thomason

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    I was hoping that they would *undershoot* the destination and wind up in the 1970s. Then we can have maybe one episode of them on Earth in actual Disco gear (put Saru in a hooded sweatshirt), as they attempt to grab some Ferengi warp coil from Area 51 or something in order to get out of the solar system.

    Then a few episodes of them dealing with 20th century Vulcans and Klingons (er... maybe not) while not polluting the timeline.
     
  19. SolarisOne

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    <----- See the outraged Capuchin in my avatar? That's pretty much me right now.

    I gave last episode a 10. This one got a 1. I would have given it a 0, if that had been possible. They completely fucked up Lorca. Then, they completely fucked up his exit. His dialogue was horrid this time around, too. I have to hear He Who Shall Not Be Named talk in real life more than enough. I don't need my fictional characters sounding just like said person, almost word for word, thank you. They have at least one novelist on staff and can't do better than that?!

    As much as I love Michelle Yeoh's badassery, it just didn't make up for how they handled Lorca.

    They really took the spore nonsense to greater heights in this episode, too.
     
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  20. Long Syntax

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    Yes, as it turns out, I do.