Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"

[XCV330]

This thread is really cooking.

About MU Georgiou, there is a rational explanation here: She just saw what she wanted to see. MU Burnham and Lorca really did have a genuine mentor/paternal relationship but Georgiou's bias and jealousy distorted the truth, especially given Lorca's other relationships with women - which again, there is zero evidence to suggest they were ever anything but consensual.

There's really a whole lot of assumption going on here.

I don't really see Lorca having a romantic interest in Burnham. He never gave that impression at all. Dude gets around. He had a reltionship with Cornwell and it was implied there was something going on with Landry. He might be good at hiding it, but they've given hints at his other character flaws. He seemed more paternalistic to her, in his odd devious way. Got her out of prison, (killed a shuttle pilot to do it, but they're shuttle pilots, they know what they're getting into). But implying it would drive a wedge between Burnham and her last tether.

 

[Long Syntax]

My kids have had to deal with star trek their whole life because of me, but they didn't really interested until Enterprise hit netflix. That's their show. The've seen some TOS, one of them is binge watching DS9, the other is really into DSC. We've even watched Star Trek Continues together, and of course all the movies, but ENT is their trek. It's perfectly plausible. Consider your credibility strained.

TOS doesn't resonate well for everyone. For some yes, but not all. You can enjoy a new western without having to watch The Great Train Robbery, too.

My daughter's first exposure to ST was ENT and since then she's watched every series. It was truly one of my favorite if not my favorite of the series. I think if you asked her she'd say Voyager was her favorite. People come to ST from many different paths and I think @lawman is relying on a bit of hyperbole when he insists his "credulity" is strained. Apparently he believes there is some sort of litmus test to be a bona fide ST fan.

 

[Galaxy]

No. Cochrane (and that Earth) had that mindset due to being changed, quite possibly by Edith Keeler not dying. If anything were the divergent factor, I'd say that would be.

One of the MU novels states (it may have been the Shatnerverse one) that First Contact was the divergence point. Cochrane flips a coin to decide if the Vulcans should be greeted or assaulted. In the MU it lands on "attack."

Then again I also would see the MU as being older. Personally I like the idea that it is a continuation of the Roman Empire.

 

[Noname Given]

Continuity error: Georgiou says she's studied the Defiant's records on the UFP, but Archer deleted them all in "In a Mirror, Darkly"

Obviously MU Archer didn't delete the Backups (Plus he was out -maneuvered in the end by Ho-shi, so I don't think MU Archer was the brightest tool in the shed, as it were. )

 

[Noname Given]

Just because it was in my Netflix qeue yesterday:
"Your Honour, Starfleet was founded to seek out new life. Well, there it sits. Waiting."
So, yeah, if the monolog isn't Starfleet's actual mission statement, it's definitely something fundamental to the organization's charter.

That's from TNG - TNG retconned a LOT of TOS (because GR was pissed he sold full IP rights to TOS in 1969 - TNG was to be his 'new/improved' version.) And we're discussing the TOS opening here.

 

[XCV330]

One of the MU novels states (it may have been the Shatnerverse one) that First Contact was the divergence point. Cochrane flips a coin to decide if the Vulcans should be greeted or assaulted. In the MU it lands on "attack."

Then again I also would see the MU as being older. Personally I like the idea that it is a continuation of the Roman Empire.

I don't know how much can be drawn from the In a Mirror Darkly credits but a Terran flag on the moon shown before the Phoenix flight. This would tend to backup the Emperor's claim that the empire had been around a long time. In the episode the empire was clearly was an established culture

 

[Noname Given]

That's ridiculous. How would he murder a Kelpian and harvest their ganglia in the PU without getting caught? And why would he do it just for a snack?

^^^
Even Saru states his species was 'prey' on his world ("My species is the 'Cow' of my world.) The Federation doesn't control what member worlds do internally in the TOS timeframe - so it's probably easy tp get Kelpian if you know who to talk to.

 

[XCV330]

^^^
Even Saru states his species was 'prey' on his world ("My species is the 'Cow' of my world.) The Federation doesn't control what member worlds do internally in the TOS timeframe - so it's probably easy tp get Kelpian if you know who to talk to.

 

[Long Syntax]

One of the MU novels states (it may have been the Shatnerverse one) that First Contact was the divergence point. Cochrane flips a coin to decide if the Vulcans should be greeted or assaulted. In the MU it lands on "attack."

Then again I also would see the MU as being older. Personally I like the idea that it is a continuation of the Roman Empire.

See this is where multiverse and the MU being employed as a plot tool get weird in the novel narratives. If there are multiverses, every possibility exists and has happened. If so, there's a reality that Jar-Jar Binx started the divergence, or possibly you or I. I have a hard time accepting such a narrative and thus can't suspend disbelief and the whole facade of a story fades away and I'm left with nothing but fandom geekery. No, No, this is why I dislike MU episodes - the well has been visited too many times and to make it interesting we have to go way too over the top for my liking.

 

[XCV330]

Mirror Universe was just when Benny Russell was going through a particularly bleak time.

 

[Nyotarules]

If the writers want to keep Tyler around, fine. I like the character. I'm just trying to be realistic about the kind of Treknobabble explanation they would inevitably have to come up with to keep him on...

Swap him for the mirror version who is an anti Terran freedom fighter.. one of the good guys

 

[eschaton]

Swap him for the mirror version who is an anti Terran freedom fighter.. one of the good guys

Part of me wonders if rather than "purge" Voq from Tyler, L'Rell took him into herself. And she'll somehow end up being able to transfer Prime Voq into Mirror Voq, thus "saving" him.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

That's from TNG - TNG retconned a LOT of TOS (because GR was pissed he sold full IP rights to TOS in 1969 - TNG was to be his 'new/improved' version.) And we're discussing the TOS opening here.

Hey, I'm all for that, if TNG is considered a separate continuity from TOS and the films. That would make me incredibly happy on a number of levels.

But until we get confirmation on that, it's not from the "opening" of anything at all, Picard is talking about how it was FOUNDED. just saying.

 

[Captain Killy]

I have no idea where to post this, but I read it and immediately thought of Discovery.

Real Mushroom Science - Self healing Concrete.
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...infrastructure-ncna840091?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

 

[Hythlodeus]

I have no idea where to post this, but I read it and immediately thought of Discovery.

Real Mushroom Science - Self healing Concrete.
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...infrastructure-ncna840091?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

now we know what the plot of season 2 is, thank you

 

[eltel99uk]

now we know what the plot of season 2 is, thank you

Whether or not the science is sound everyone's just gonna say "THEY ALREADY DID THAT ON BSG!" ;-)

 

[XCV330]

Hey, I'm all for that, if TNG is considered a separate continuity from TOS and the films. That would make me incredibly happy on a number of levels.

But until we get confirmation on that, it's not from the "opening" of anything at all, Picard is talking about how it was FOUNDED. just saying.

The actual founding of Starfleet is never shown but the opening of the Warp Five Complex does begin with the "Strange new worlds" speech from Zephram. Whether that complex was run by Starfleet, Space Probe Agency or some other group is hard to say but it's clearly in Starfleet's early DNA.

 

[Captain Killy]

now we know what the plot of season 2 is, thank you

Hey if it works on Concrete why not Tritanium Alloy

 

[Nyotarules]

Sure. But she was on a Federation ship and Saru allowed it.

Why not 100 years later Janeway did something similar and got promoted to Admiral.

 

[Captain Killy]

The writer has explained Georgiou’s names and titles

http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/writer-jordon-nardino-on-georgious-many-names/

I love this!!