Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Jan 21, 2018.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Great!

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  2. 9

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  1. Captain Killy

    Captain Killy Commander Red Shirt

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    Lawful Evil, yeah if we're putting it in DnD terms.
    Lorca, is maybe more Neutral Evil
     
  2. Uhura's Song

    Uhura's Song Commander Red Shirt

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    Yeah, I will just leave the whole 'eating' comment alone. Though I will say I don't think Voq is a major character & there have been other references to Klingon characters eating humanoids (or parts of them). At least Voq was starving.

    OK, I cannot leave it.

    1. Spock & Uhura.
    2. Data & Tasha.
    3. Riker & Troi.
    4. Troi & Worf.
    5. Picard & Crusher.
    6. Riker & Ro.
    8. O'Brien & Keiko.
    7. J. Dax & Worf.
    8. Kira & Odo.
    9. Bashir & Leeta
    10. Bashir & E. Dax
    11. Rom & Leeta
    12. Sisko & Yates
    13. Tom & B'Elanna
    14. Neelix & Kes
    15. Seven & Chakotay
    16. Tripp & T'Pol
    17. Stamets & Culber

    MU hookups don't count (sorry Hoshi). Did I miss one?
     
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  3. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Is that a list of all the couples that have eaten each other, or thought about it?
    I thought of Batman(Keaton) when he takes out the batarang, taps a few buttons, and it goes from one goon to the next.
     
  4. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    But they would be wrong.
     
  5. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Again, see Chronicles of Riddick, where it was said "If we are to survive, a new balance must be found. In normal times, evil would be fought by good. But in times like these, well, it should be fought by another kind of evil."
     
  6. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    ...
    Bridge, I’ll be in Holodeck 4.
     
  7. keoluperalto

    keoluperalto Communications Officer Premium Member

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    ...the imperial palace ship IS the Defiant!? Ahh, just me grasping. lol
     
  8. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    When MIrror V'Ger comes back... There's a real palace.
     
  9. keoluperalto

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    ...that's right. Something in the Federation databanks about Xindi genetics within the Klingon genome. From ENT...is that why they look bluish, orangish & burgundyish?
     
  10. Gonzo

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    Finally got to watch this episode, I thought it was great although Michelle Yeoh as the Emperor was borderline ham/cheese in places in my opinion, not her fault though more to do with the script and dialogue.

    Loved the final scene with Lorca, no great surprise he is from the MU really, the scars gave it away many episodes ago.

    The Charon is big, it's easily bigger than a D'Deridex Warbird and I would say it's somewhere between the Vengeance and the Enterprise J at around 1.5 to 2.5km in length maybe even more.

    I am not convinced that the Emperor was being entirely truthful with Burnham about Lorca so it will be interesting to see what ends up being true, does he just want the throne or are his motivations more complex and yet to be revealed.

    Lorca is easily the best character in the series at the moment for me.

    It certainly doesn't look like Lorca will be going back with the Discovery, so it will be Burnham as First Officer or maybe even Captain depending on what happens.
     
  11. Jadeb

    Jadeb Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Personally, I think Michelle Yeoh is delivering exactly the performance the production demands. No point trying to underplay when you're dressed like Ming the Merciless and exploding people's heads with a fidget spinner. The story calls for her to serve up ham and she is. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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  12. Gonzo

    Gonzo Commodore Commodore

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    Absolutely, which is why I pointed a finger at the script and dialogue.

    Would have preferred a more nuanced performance ideally but it doesn't really make much difference as I doubt her character will live much longer anyway.
     
  13. XCV330

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  14. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    There is no mirror V'ger. The Terran Empire`s Voyager 6 probe destroyed the mirror machine planet.
     
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  15. Krandor

    Krandor Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    So knowing what we know about Lorca now it does put stuff into perspective. We had him say all first half of the season "I'm trying to win a war". Well, he was trying to win a war but he wasn't trying to wni OUR war - the war with the klingons. He had his own war to win. He wasn't being dishonest but wasn't completely clear.

    So then I go back to the line in episode 3 "You have start this war. Don't you want to help finish it." Could the original war/coup/rebellion against the empire that Lorca was part of before coming to the PU be something that MU michael actually started? That would fit into why he is so protective of her in PU and MU.
     
  16. Gepard

    Gepard Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I like that.

    Also, Nomad exists but it isn't the result of a collision between human and alien probes. They just built it like that, and it's been successfully sterilizing planets for a century now.
     
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  17. Prax

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    I like that. Maybe that alien civilization was the first to be sterilized.

    I wonder what the typical crisis-of-the-week is for a Mirror Starfleet ship.
     
  18. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    A l
     
  19. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    Stay
     
  20. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

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    Forcing worlds to submit the Empire. Destroying those that wont.