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News Star Trek: Discovery – Adhering To Canon

Well since the whole season consists only of "fan wank" stories, that probably just makes Manny Coto a "fan wanker." Actually he's just a big TOS fan and had the rare opportunity to do whatever world building he pleased. I see no reason to believe he created the story just to appease those alleged Trekkie mobs with pitchforks and torches that you loathe.

Was he getting death threats chanting "Klingon Foreheads or-You're-Dead"?

And this guy is a pretty popular Trek Producer/writer. He did quite well in a short amount of time. Who cares if Uncle Phil lost his ridges.
 
You also failed to mention that Beyond did the worst at the box office. And may have killed the film franchise.
That particular version of the franchise needed to be put out of its misery. Beyond was better than the first two, but that's not saying much.
 
Because it was over a Gods damned joke. It retconned 30 years of trek over a freaking joke. It was stupid.
One thing does not contradict the other. Worf's joke in the DS9 tribble tribute episode was amusing, but it wasn't an explanation.

Because it wasn't a necessary explanation, as evidenced by the fact that TMP just presented them and moved on, no questions asked, and no answers given.
Umm... the fact that no answers were (initially) given is why an explanation was necessary. What is unclear about this? Do you just enjoy unexplained contradictions?

^ I think the problem was more that “fans” were writing the show at that time. Season 4 was just a tad too fanwank-ish for my tastes. Some of it was cool, some of it was great – but a lot of it was just things they thought other fans would want to see.
Can't agree with you there. IMHO the fourth season of ENT was the only watchable one. Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevenses very effectively made a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Unfortunately most of the viewership was already gone by that point.
 
I'm of two minds with Enterprise's handling of the big Klingon question. On the one hand, Worf's one-line rebuttal beats the pants off of anything the writers could have come with. On the other hand, "Affliction"/"Divergence" is actually a really great two-parter despite itself.

So I mean. Whatevs. It's whatevs. A little wonky that the Klingons we've seen in Discovery don't seem to have been affected, but hey, maybe... um, maybe they were. I don't know. It's just not a thing I think about overlong. I can tell you this much: I'm glad they don't look like humans in this show.
 
So I mean. Whatevs. It's whatevs. A little wonky that the Klingons we've seen in Discovery don't seem to have been affected, but hey, maybe... um, maybe they were. I don't know. It's just not a thing I think about overlong. I can tell you this much: I'm glad they don't look like humans in this show.

Technically, they could use TNG style as the affected if they wanted. But yeah know the issue with that story;line? Klingons kill disabled klingons, its the most Honorable thing to do. There honor would have demanded they kill themselves as they were disabled.
 
A little late:. Site to site transport is maybe 50 years too early? Non biomaterials should be easier to produce . TOS Food seems to come out of the food slots quickly, or was it stores (in statis) somewhere and just conveyed to where it was requested?
 
A little late:. Site to site transport is maybe 50 years too early? Non biomaterials should be easier to produce . TOS Food seems to come out of the food slots quickly, or was it stores (in statis) somewhere and just conveyed to where it was requested?
Well, Kirk did it in TOS - "Day of the Dove" to get to Main Engineering:
(Full transcript: http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/66.htm)
KIRK: We can't get through the Klingon defences in time, unless. Spock. Intra-ship beaming from one section to another. It's possible?

SPOCK: It has rarely been done because of the danger involved. Pinpoint accuracy is required. If the transportee should materialise inside a solid object, a deck or wall.
^^^
So, yes, they can do it. And with the new/advanced propulsion tech the U.S.S. Discovery is testing, I don't find it a stretch that Lorca is 'crazy' enough to test/use it. (Maybe they'll have a site to site Transporter accident on the ship in a future episode :shrug:;))
 
I am talking reliable site to site transport, not a Hail Mary pass. When did we see any more of those in TOS and their movies?
 
We fans were taught to respect and enjoy the canon by the writers, directors, actors, and Paramount for over five decades. In the 1960's, shows like Gilligan's Island were about as advanced as it got with continuity. TOS would make references within it's own history to the Organian Peace treaty, General Order Number One, and Captain Pike. Then, with the first motion picture, we were asked to believe the crew aged, and that the five year mission had become legendary. All of the movies and TV shows tried their best to adhere to canon. Even JJ Abrams believed that a complete reboot without explanation of the prime timeline was a bad idea. Canon is important to Star Trek because the people who make it and the people who watch it have said so for over 50 years. If you want to completely reboot it, say so. Don't pretend you're playing within the established canon of the prime timeline if you are not even trying to adhere to it.
 
We fans were taught to respect and enjoy the canon by the writers, directors, actors, and Paramount for over five decades. In the 1960's, shows like Gilligan's Island were about as advanced as it got with continuity. TOS would make references within it's own history to the Organian Peace treaty, General Order Number One, and Captain Pike. Then, with the first motion picture, we were asked to believe the crew aged, and that the five year mission had become legendary. All of the movies and TV shows tried their best to adhere to canon. Even JJ Abrams believed that a complete reboot without explanation of the prime timeline was a bad idea. Canon is important to Star Trek because the people who make it and the people who watch it have said so for over 50 years. If you want to completely reboot it, say so. Don't pretend you're playing within the established canon of the prime timeline if you are not even trying to adhere to it.

DSC uses so many canon Easter eggs its not even funny. Many people that claim, incorrectly, they are ignoring canon do not even know what those are. Looks are not canon and non of the events of DSC have violated canon. If you think they have, please list them.
 
Dunno if anybody mentioned this in regards to flathead and bumpyhead Klingons, but in TOS, Kor, Koloth and Kang were flathead and in DS9, the same actors played them as bumpyheads. Continuity? I think not.


This was because in setting, they always looked like the DS9 versions. Everyone always treats whst ever the current make up is, as it was always that way. For every race.
 
This was because in setting, they always looked like the DS9 versions. Everyone always treats whst ever the current make up is, as it was always that way. For every race.
That's exactly my point. It didn't matter. So why the issue with redesigning the Klingons for Discovery? No retro virus. They've always looked like that.....now!
A reason why the ENT stories were ridiculous. No explanation necessary.
Which is also my way of saying that blind adherence to cannon for the sake of adherence to cannon is silly
 
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That's exactly my point. It didn't matter. So why the issue with redesigning the Klingons for Discovery? No retro virus. They've always looked like that.....now!
A reason why the ENT stories were ridiculous. No explanation necessary.
Which is also my way of saying that blind adherence to cannon for the sake of adherence to cannon is silly


ENT was all because Trek fans could not laugh at trek, they could not roll with what was a good natures and frankly funny joke poking at treks campy nature
 
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