Wrong, because the T7s have warp nacelles.
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Wrong, because the T7s have warp nacelles.
I'd say that at least two of those consistently failed to be entertaining (and the jury is still out on Justice League, obviously), but YMMV.
Regardless, though... The Flash, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, and (tangentially) Supergirl are all part of the same continuity. That shared universe doesn't make them any less entertaining. So what's your point?
Seems fair enough, but really it just begs the question: what qualifies as entertainment? People's standards are subjective. Personally, I tend to like things that are both emotionally and intellectually stimulating. On the "intellectual" side of that, it generally means that I want something to make a reasonable degree of logical sense (within its own context, obviously — comedy plays by different rules, for instance)... and making sense, to me, means being internally consistent with other information that's been established about the story's setting. Whether that information was established in the same story, or another story using the same setting, isn't really material to me — the principle still applies. In fact, having the setting developed over multiple stories allows for (although it certainly doesn't guarantee) a more sophisticated degree of worldbuilding, which IMHO is entertaining.
So: that's continuity, and that's why I like it. it's one of the things I like about comic books, and about Star Trek, and about lots of other "genre" entertainment. I've never really understood why some people disdain it.
Yeah, exactly. This.
No, because nuBSG was explicitly and obviously a complete reboot of the 1970s show, not a continuation. (And also, because the 1970s show was a pretty awful, forgettable thing to which I had no sentimental attachment.) OTOH, the use of Starbuck (and a lot of other story elements) in BSG's fourth season in ways that pretty blatantly contradicted what had been set up in the previous three seasons did bother me, quite a bit.
I don't get this — why did the Augment story bother you? It answered a question that fans had been speculating and complaining about for decades. How was that a bad thing?
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Klingons talk a lot in all ST.
The TOS trek the Klingons weren't very violent, nor quick to temper. They were just aggressive, disciplined, and ruthless. "Errand of Mercy" they pretty much talked the entire episode. TNG/DS9 took it to another level where you wondered how the heck could Klingons ever have built a starship. Violent, loud, aggressive, and almost animal like. Not ruthless though. Just a lot of posturing.
They just toned the TNG Klingons down, and applied their sense of honor to their dead. Not unreasonable. I think i'd prefer a less violent, and more ruthless Klingon. Plastic bothers me as well, but that doesn't make it not follow canon. Klingons have changed their look constantly, so I'm willing to give this a chance. I agree with the ships, but this is set before TOS. I don't remember ENT Klingon ship, or if they ever showed them.
That's just the Klingons.
The Starfleet tech would've bothered me a whole lot less if they stuck it into the basic Matt Jefferies designs, kinda what they did in the JJVerse. My issues with the JJPrise are more aesthetic than the fact that it's updated for today's viewer (I think the nacelles and their supports look wonky, but that's just me). The bridge design works and makes sense to me. Shenzhou's bridge design just doesn't work. It looks like the bridge off the E-E except somehow a little bigger.
Also, from a design standpoint... Everybody's complaining about the lack of clear rank insignia. They have those stripes on the shoulders already. They could've incorporated the TOS sleeve stripe patterns into that for rank. If they're gonna go with a completely different uniform that makes ZERO sense in canon could we at least make the things they put in functional!
I guess I would have to agree with this :\.
Coming off of TOS, TNG wasn't trek
. Had to say that, but form a historical perspective it was true. I see where you are coming from. I guess for me there is enough familiarity for it to still be Trek. The ships, the beaming, the tribble, the klingons (even though modified), etc. It still feels Trek to me, though a 2017 version.
I wouldn't deny their bien influenced by the somewhat recent successes of BSG. It does feel very dark to me, but the movies kind of went that route too. Star Trek II (the new II) also had went away from the happy perfect positive federation. This sort of follows suite.
I'm typically a hopeful person, so maybe this is a bit of kool-aid drink on my part
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^^^Coming off of TOS, TNG wasn't trek
Yep - it WAS true (I'm OLD!)
To all you TNG/Bermman Era 24th Century Star Trek fans screaming ST: D is - "NOT TREK!" - : Now you understand first hand how A LOT of TOS fans felt in 1987 when TNG - "Encounter At Farpoint" hit the airwaves. (Seriously.)
Their looks changed, their politics a tad different, but they're still the same ole chest thumping Klingons we've always had.
Their politics really haven't changed (at least from what was show in TNG) - it's still a bunch of "Great Noble Houses" vying for control of "The Empire".
Because it was over a Gods damned joke. It retconned 30 years of trek over a freaking joke. It was stupid.
Nope
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Yep - it WAS true (I'm OLD!)
To all you TNG/Bermman Era 24th Century Star Trek fans screaming ST: D is - "NOT TREK!" - : Now you understand first hand how A LOT of TOS fans felt in 1987 when TNG - "Encounter At Farpoint" hit the airwaves. (Seriously.)
I do remember one TOS guy here who didn't like anything post The Motion picture....Mr. Stinky Pants/The great Mambo Chicken and another name he had that escapes me...lol
He asked what I thought, I found it stupid. And we both kbow it was over a joke as fans can not laugh at trek.
Because it wasn't a necessary explanation, as evidenced by the fact that TMP just presented them and moved on, no questions asked, and no answers given.
I with you on this one. It has that Star Trek sense in terms of familiar elements, without feeling the same, if that makes any sense.Coming off of TOS, TNG wasn't trek
I see where you are coming from. I guess for me there is enough familiarity for it to still be Trek. The ships, the beaming, the tribble, the klingons (even though modified), etc. It still feels Trek to me, though a 2017 version.
Yes... always
James Dixon?
Again. Wrong.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Type_7_shuttlecraft
The type 7 shuttle was a short to medium range auxiliary craft. Some shuttles were equipped with warp drive and were useful for interstellar travel, (TNG: "Samaritan Snare", "Chain of Command, Part I") while others were restricted to impulsespeeds. (TNG: "Q Who")
It makes *NO SENSE* to have warp nacelles if they're not going to be used. Come on....
Because they started whining on line and other places about needed and explanation now that it had been "admitted", via a joke in canon. I have seen it a dozen times On this forum alone people pointing to that joke as proof an explanation was needed. Producers forgot fan can not joke about trek.
You can not honestly tell me that whole fan wank story had zero to do with fans demanding an explanation
Nah, they are like stormtrooper armor. Purely decorative
Again!
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