News Star Trek: Discovery – Adhering To Canon
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What do you mean JJTreks 1 & 2 made by 'non-fans'. JJ Abrams IS a Star Trek fan. And Simon Pegg and others (also fans) were in all three. WTF - are we back to gauging 'levels/types of Star Trek fans gain?'
Also, The JJ Abrams films across the board are no more 'controversial' then any other Star Trek outing Hell, EVERY Star Trek project has its own fans and detractors. Your blanket assertions for these films are ridiculous.
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To be fair - in TOS (primarily the first season) Kirk OFTEN ordered Warp 1 and Warp 2 - and covered great distances at those speeds as well. I don't think there has been anything on screen in films or otherwise to say the Warp Speed scale (whatever it was) changed between ENT <->TOS<->TNG eras. Writers have always had the ships travel at 'speed of the plot'.
I never cared about the scale either, since the ships moved as fast as they wanted to every week anyway. When they moved into different eras and didn't make a point of it, it was kind of a relief.
To be fair - in TOS (primarily the first season) Kirk OFTEN ordered Warp 1 and Warp 2 - and covered great distances at those speeds as well. I don't think there has been anything on screen in films or otherwise to say the Warp Speed scale (whatever it was) changed between ENT <->TOS<->TNG eras. Writers have always had the ships travel at 'speed of the plot'.
The TOS Enterprise could warp backwards on a dime, swing perilously fast around at warp 8 and go to warp 11 or 14, covering 1100 lightyears in an episode on her own.
I mean...what scale covers all that?
To be fair - in TOS (primarily the first season) Kirk OFTEN ordered Warp 1 and Warp 2 - and covered great distances at those seeds as well. I don't think there has been anything on screen in films or otherwise to say the Warp Speed scale (whatever it was) changed between ENT <->TOS<->TNG eras. Writers have always had the ships travel at 'speed of the plot'.
That's fine, but someone said they were all adhering to the TNG scale now like it was some kind of agreement between all the creative parties. I'm just wondering where that line of thought came from?
How the warp scale converts to real velocities is the least worry about canon, in part (as mentioned) because it has never been canon. And as soon as you put a number to it, you can calculate travel times or distances, which will suddenly show how wildly inaccurate they are as a whole.
I think this is probably a case of someone on the design team googling "warp scale conversion" and slapping that on the set, without really thinking (or caring) about where it came from.
I prefer to think good writers can make a good story without breaking canon. As for the least important thing in entertainment, that has to be the opinions fans have about their favourite genre shows.
There'd be no TNG as we know it, if at all, if they'd taken fan opinion aboard
Canon is a set of tools to be used by, not shackles to bind a storyteller if a storyteller is unable to tell his tale with the toolbox selected it should not have been chosen in the first place, better that than to break or discard the toolset , change where, absolutely necessary and where such change does not negatively impact more than it improves
Continuity is not a tool. The concepts are the tools.
No he is not by his own admission:
“I never liked 'Star Trek' when I was a kid”, said Abrams. ”Growing up, I thought, honestly, I couldn't get into it. My friends loved it. I would try, I would watch episodes but it always felt too philosophical to me. Some of the writers loved 'Star Trek,' I was not really a fan, my producing partner never saw it.”
How many more time must he say to sink in? He was never a Star Trek fan period.
Exactly - this is now canonical. For the first time, we have an on screen warp scale conversion. Which will continue to be thoroughly ignored any time arriving quickly or late will be plot important
So in this regards, peoples prediction that Discovery is going to be Game of Thrones in space is accurate.Exactly - this is now canonical. For the first time, we have an on screen warp scale conversion. Which will continue to be thoroughly ignored any time arriving quickly or late will be plot important
I'm not spreading any falsehoods, that is what I have read! Plus yes the quoting bits went a bit awry didn't they!
JB
Well it isn't true.
Who can say for sure but why else would they ignore the costumes of the era or change the look of The Klingons to such a degree?
JB
Because they wanted to.
They prototyped solid colour designs, according to people who did the set tour the prototypes are still in the costume department.
If they were not allowed they wouldn't have gone through that effort.
CBS owns all of this. They still publish and licence materials using those designs.
Neither were Nick Meyer and Harve Bennett. That has nothing to do with being able to make a good story.
And the other creative staff on ST09 and ST:ID were most certainly fans of Trek, as they dipped deeply into the wellspring of Trek lore, including TAS and the novels, in developing this iteration of the Trek universe.
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