News Star Trek: Discovery – Adhering To Canon
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I'm pretty sure that says warp 8.
Warp 6 in Discovery is 392.498c. That's the TNG warp scale (rendered as 392c in most manuals and the Star Trek Encyclopedia), not the (supposed) TOS one, which would be 216c.
Of course, Trek has always used speed-of-plot, but me thinks they're going to regret putting the actual velocity on-screen.
Its six, you can see the top curve end.
Plus being a 6 and its corresponding C speed matches the warp scale KDB mentioned.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor#Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation
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That doesn't make it a reboot to my mind. Things get updated and changed constantly and consistently in fiction. Comics are the best example. Superman has been regularly revamped almost since his inception. And for the first 50 years they did it without any reboots. New things were added and older things fell by the wayside. The same should be true for Star Trek.
The need for "explanations" for every change in make up, costumes and sets leads us to things like "Affliction". Unneeded, unnecessary and usually unsatisfying. Star Trek doesn't need fall back on the "reboot card" to make things new, current or modern. It just need to make things new, current and modern. That mean everything: costumes, sets, SFX, writing, acting, marketing and delivery system.
Warp 6 in Discovery is 392.498c. That's the TNG warp scale (rendered as 392c in most manuals and the Star Trek Encyclopedia), not the (supposed) TOS one, which would be 216c.
Of course, Trek has always used speed-of-plot, but me thinks they're going to regret putting the actual velocity on-screen.
Using warp speeds to claim lack of adherence to canon is weak, since they aren't even consistent from episode to episode in each series.
Furthermore, that warp scale equation is bunk. I realize it's just something made up, but they could have tried a bit harder to make their case. It's supposed to show warp 10 is infinite, but that just doesn't follow from what's written. At least put something like "10-wf" in a denominator somewhere!
We just had multiple universes. I'd be happier if they said it was just a different timeline.
I'm still hopeful the show will be great. I'm just treating it as something that stands on its own.
There has never been anything to indicate "warp scales" onscreen ever. Trek depicts warp factors as being the same across eras, and Enterprise certainly did. Scotty does not say the Franklin could do "warp 4 on the old, pre-Kelvin scale" or some such, despite their ships obviously being even faster than TNG.
Warp 6 or 8 is warp 6 or 8 (whatever that cap says), and apparently this is how fast that is.
Warp 6 or 8 is warp 6 or 8 (whatever that cap says), and apparently this is how fast that is.
You would think superfans such as those working on the show would know about the different warp scales.
I know it matches the scale but I keep looking and just can't see how it's a 6. The top curve looks uninterrupted and I see another inward curve in the center left... plus the enclosed space is larger in the 9s.
Where is this from? Is it a still or a video?
In the first 50 years? Yeah they had those, but not to explain canon/continuity differences. That came later. The multiple Universe thing happened in the middle of those 50 years. And Superman didn't play in that arena very often.
Yes it should stand on it's own as a TV show, same as any other.
That's the point though. There are no "warp scales" in canon, just in manuals and tie-in media that spout fake equations to keep supernerds happy between shows.
Discovery is finishing what Enterprise and the Kelvin universe started in having the live action media show only one unified scale. Which means since 2001, they've decided that having two factors was not a good idea and have been working to remove it.
So the people working on the show seem to know exactly what they're doing, by using the new amount of detail available on the show to smooth this out.
Do you have any evidence of this? The Enterprise was screaming along at Warp 4 in Star Trek (2009). Covering huge distances in no time flat.
There's not. But, as just a normal fan, I know about the perceived changes in speed. I believe that actually came from the creators of TNG, who wanted the new Enterprise to be faster than its TOS counterpart.
I don't have my TNG Technical Manual handy, but I believe it is in there. Written by Rick Sternbach and Mike Okuda, who were both working on the show.
I know the two co-runners of Memory Alpha worked with Pegg on Beyond directly. The people behind the scenes have mentioned using it while working on 2009 and Into Darkness, as well as it helping with research for Discovery.
So you can bet most people working on the show have spent more than a few late nights reading and re-reading it for these details. So whatever made it onto the show has been vetted through what came before, and deciding on whether or not to keep or change something.
Well, there is now.
It wouldn't be the first time that something from a publication made it onto something official.
Yes but what people are not happy with, is that they've canonised the TNG scale being used in 2255. The same as fans working out that the NX-01 would really have been using it too (in the episodes like all ships it wasn't going super fast).
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