Star Trek Defiant - DS9 Sequel Series

[DonIago]

I always felt that they missed their chance to not have additional DS9 characters be aboard the Defiant in First Contact, aside from just Worf.

The problem with having additional DS9 characters aboard Defiant in FC is that that leaves you with three options:
1) Kill them, which wasn't going to happen.
2) Bin them (coma?) for the rest of the movie, which feels like a cheap way of removing them from the rest of the movie.
3) Keep them around, which alters the dynamics of the rest of the film and makes it less a TNG film and more of a crossover film. For instance, if Captain Sisko is present, he can call-out Picard's craziness with some level of authority, versus his TNG friends just bowing their heads and refusing to stand up to their captain.

 

[Dukhat]

I always felt that they missed their chance to not have additional DS9 characters be aboard the Defiant in First Contact, aside from just Worf.

But that wasn't the purpose of the scene. The purpose was to get Worf onto the Enterprise to rejoin his former shipmates.

I think the closest we'll get to a follow up to DS9 is some of the plot elements from Picard season 3 (which felt a bit neglected by the end of the season), but I might be wrong. Both TNG and VOY (in Prodigy) are getting follow ups, so maybe DS9 will too.

The closest we'll get is that sub-par LDS episode that takes place on DS9, with Nana Visitor and Armin Shimerman sounding 20 years older than their characters should be.

 

[fireproof78]

I always felt that they missed their chance to not have additional DS9 characters be aboard the Defiant in First Contact, aside from just Worf. I think the closest we'll get to a follow up to DS9 is some of the plot elements from Picard season 3 (which felt a bit neglected by the end of the season), but I might be wrong. Both TNG and VOY (in Prodigy) are getting follow ups, so maybe DS9 will too.

DS9 did in a Lower Decks episode.

As for First Contact, the team dynamics was, as others have noted, to for Worf and the TNG crew. It was not meant as a crossover film, but a TNG film. So, bringing in DS9 crew would basically be shoehorning more crewmembers, and would overcrowd the film.

DS9 ended soundly. It doesn't require a follow up. Though, then TNG did too with All Good Things, so I am probably wrong.

 

[Dukhat]

DS9 ended soundly. It doesn't require a follow up. Though, then TNG did too with All Good Things, so I am probably wrong.

You are not wrong.

 

[aquova]

3) Keep them around, which alters the dynamics of the rest of the film and makes it less a TNG film and more of a crossover film. For instance, if Captain Sisko is present, he can call-out Picard's craziness with some level of authority, versus his TNG friends just bowing their heads and refusing to stand up to their captain.

I was envisioning this one. I think it could have worked with maybe Kira, Bashir, or O'Brien. One or two characters max. Someone who would have been in the thick of it to provide a different dynamic, but still beneath Picard and wouldn't interfere with his arc.

But that wasn't the purpose of the scene. The purpose was to get Worf onto the Enterprise to rejoin his former shipmates.

Not as written, but there's nothing stopping them from having been along.

 

[Dukhat]

Not as written, but there's nothing stopping them from having been along.

First of all, the Defiant shouldn’t have even been there. It should have been at DS9. Why was it there? To get Worf on the Enterprise. Not to show other DS9 characters on the Enterprise. The Defiant was simply a plot device to explain why Worf was able to rejoin his old crew. How would any other DS9 characters being on the ship have served the plot? Either they’d be stuck on a wrecked ship or they would have been beamed to the Enterprise and then completely forgotten about.

 

[Continuous Cosmos]

Why not just make more seasons of DS9?

Due to being a spinoff, Star Trek: Defiant would showcase either a bit or lots of space station DS9.

 

[FederationHistorian]

First of all, the Defiant shouldn’t have even been there. It should have been at DS9. Why was it there? To get Worf on the Enterprise. Not to show other DS9 characters on the Enterprise. The Defiant was simply a plot device to explain why Worf was able to rejoin his old crew. How would any other DS9 characters being on the ship have served the plot? Either they’d be stuck on a wrecked ship or they would have been beamed to the Enterprise and then completely forgotten about.

Yes, it was a plot device to get Worf on the Ent-E. But, it was stated in DS9 that the Defiant’s original purpose was to fight and defeat the Borg. So, the Battle of Sector 001 was a field test to see if it could.

What was proven was that against the Borg, it was a tough little ship.

The only other DS9 characters that would have worked would have been O’Brien or Sisko, due to their ties to Picard.

 

[Dukhat]

Then the question would be, how could the Defiant have reached Earth in time for the battle, because the film implied that the Borg came out of nowhere, and for all we know the Defiant was still at DS9 before that. Not to mention that there were more Defiant class ships that were much closer that could have field-tested their worthiness than the prototype itself.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Wasn't that Captain Worf series Michael Dorn was pushing many years ago about him on the Defiant, hunting down space terrorists?

 

[Tuskin38]

sub-par LDS episode

sub-par???

Wasn't that Captain Worf series Michael Dorn was pushing many years ago about him on the Defiant, hunting down space terrorists?

The current on going Star Trek: Defiant comic is doing exactly that.

 

[Dukhat]

sub-par???

That’s what I said. It was a disappointing return to Deep Space Nine. As with most of LDS, the story was pretty silly, Kira and Quark sounded 20 years older than they should have been, Quark was acting like idiot season 1 Quark, and none of the other actors returned or were given any indication as to what happened to them after DS9 ended. For someone who was a huge DS9 fan, it was quite a letdown.

At least we learned about what happened with Grand Nagus Rom and Leeta, in a completely different episode of a different season.

 

[Tuskin38]

For someone who was a huge DS9 fan, it was quite a letdown.

DS9 is my favourite series and I loved it

Not everything needs to be answered in a single episode. Especially a 22-25 minute one.

Kira and Quark sounded 20 years older than they should have been

Because the actors are older than their characters would be.

 

[Dukhat]

DS9 is my favourite series and I loved it

Not everything needs to be answered in a single episode. Especially a 22-25 minute one.

That’s still not an excuse for making a subpar episode.

Because the actors are older than their characters would be.

Uh, yeah, I know that. That was my point.

 

[DonIago]

Yes, it was a plot device to get Worf on the Ent-E. But, it was stated in DS9 that the Defiant’s original purpose was to fight and defeat the Borg. So, the Battle of Sector 001 was a field test to see if it could.

What was proven was that against the Borg, it was a tough little ship.

The only other DS9 characters that would have worked would have been O’Brien or Sisko, due to their ties to Picard.

Sisko could have been problematic; do we think he would have just snapped to and followed Picard's suicidal orders the way everyone else except Lily submitted to him? On the other hand, if you bring him in as a cameo but then put him out of play for the rest of the film, that's hugely disappointing.

 

[Tuskin38]

That’s still not an excuse for making a subpar episode.

I don't think it was subpar at all.
No more than TNG Birthright was.

 

[DonIago]

I don't think it was subpar at all.
No more than TNG Birthright was.

I have to chuckle a bit, because I really enjoyed the LD DS9 episode (the moment where we hear the theme and see the station was wonderful and moving...no pun intended), but I think "Birthright" had a fair number of problems.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Sisko could have been problematic; do we think he would have just snapped to and followed Picard's suicidal orders the way everyone else except Lily submitted to him? On the other hand, if you bring him in as a cameo but then put him out of play for the rest of the film, that's hugely disappointing.

Considering that the original plan was for Sisko to be in Lily’s place, its safe to say he would have opposed Picard’s plan. There's history between Picard and Sisko, and it would be a huge oversight to not callback to that if Sisko was in the film.

And even if both Sisko and Lily are in the film, then they both oppose Picard’s plan. Which would just highlight Picard going off the deep end even more, with calls for a more sane approach coming from someone from the mid-21st century and one of Picard's peers from the 24th century.

And even with O'Brien, he could have been in the place of Daniels (the Ent-E guy, not the dude from ENT) for the film.

 

[Tuskin38]

I have to chuckle a bit, because I really enjoyed the LD DS9 episode (the moment where we hear the theme and see the station was wonderful and moving...no pun intended), but I think "Birthright" had a fair number of problems.

and thinking on it, Birthright was a bad comparison, more time was spent off DS9 than on it.

 

[DonIago]

and thinking on it, Birthright was a bad comparison, more time was spent off DS9 than on it.

Oh! Was that the angle you were going for? I didn't even consider that.