Star Trek Continues - To Boldly Go (Parts I & II)
- Thread starter Firebird
- Start date
- Status
My wife, who is definitely not a Trekkie, is always impressed by the quality of production and faithful recreation of the "feel" of the original.
Critics here who complain about STC doing things not the way they were done in the '60s just make me tend to ignore them. My answer is, "So what? Do better yourself." They obviously can't, or they'd have done it already. That includes "industry professionals" here who continuously pooh-pooh everything that they weren't invited to work on. Pfft.
These last episodes are bringing full-circle the story of the characters from TOS. I'm looking forward to the conclusion.
I think the reason that STC gets so much BS criticism, much more than any other fan production, is because it comes so much closer to the original series than anything else out there.
If this was a multi-million dollar per episode production, the complaints wouldn't be any less. There would probably be more.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Critics here who complain about STC doing things not the way they were done in the '60s just make me tend to ignore them. My answer is, "So what? Do better yourself." They obviously can't, or they'd have done it already. That includes "industry professionals" here who continuously pooh-pooh everything that they weren't invited to work on. Pfft.
These last episodes are bringing full-circle the story of the characters from TOS. I'm looking forward to the conclusion.
I think the reason that STC gets so much BS criticism, much more than any other fan production, is because it comes so much closer to the original series than anything else out there.
If this was a multi-million dollar per episode production, the complaints wouldn't be any less. There would probably be more.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
I really like STC, but it’s not above criticism. In the latest ep., the one thing I really took exception to was the scene with Kirk chewing out Spock in his quarters after they encountered the Romulans and BEFORE The Romulans Commander beamed aboard so Spock could use his, ahem, rapport with her to convince her to support the mission. Sure, they both left the bridge during such a crucial moment (essentially after being told war was at hand) just so Spock could be chewed out in private.
But similar criticism could be offered against any number of silly or implausible or illogical situations in various original TOS episodes. So I say go ahead and criticize. I do take exception however to those who expect a fan film to made for the extremely particular sensibilities of a small few rather than a wider audience. It ain’t never gonna be made just to please you (or me).
But similar criticism could be offered against any number of silly or implausible or illogical situations in various original TOS episodes. So I say go ahead and criticize. I do take exception however to those who expect a fan film to made for the extremely particular sensibilities of a small few rather than a wider audience. It ain’t never gonna be made just to please you (or me).
Last edited:
The first requirement for me to enjoy a fan production is to avoid the huge technical mistakes that take me out of the moment. For me this episode worked on that level. While I don't dismiss the opinions of those who criticize certain director's choices that might have been better, I do tend to shrug them off. I see no reason to let "perfect" (I know the critics are not expecting perfection so bear with me) be the enemy of the good or even adequate. Making a long-form episode that doesn't have cringe inducing moments, ridiculous editing mistakes (if I notice them, they're really bad, that doesn't mean that lesser mistakes aren't there) and awful acting is damn difficult. Once you get past all that, then I think it's absolutely fair to criticize and dissect the script. After all, no matter what else you have, if you don't have a good story you have nothing. All that said, I think the episode moved well and the story kept me interested. The continuity call outs are a matter of taste, they don't bother me, but they do bother some viewers. That's life. I felt that Kirk was a bit gullible, but at heart I think he has an idealistic streak and I would bet that in part 2 he'll be ready to grab this situation by the ass and save the galaxy in typical Kirk fashion. There's a lot of good work here and I appreciate it and am pleased at the progress the STC team has made in presenting a more professional and entertaining product as they've gone along.
Despite the repeated god references
1) They aren't gods.
2) They still have to have a means of travel.
I like the coming full circle plot, a la TNG, and enjoy the fan service. The weakest link to me is the acting of McCoy, which makes me wish Karl Urban was there to make Bones feel real. Vic has always got the tone of Kirk right, without becoming parody. Todd as Spock has grown on me, despite seeming like a cross between Tuvok and Data sometimes. But McCoy is way too OTT.
Lol, nice try, but leave the amateur psychology to Lucy van Pelt...
It`s apparently much more than simply BS if you wasted all this time on an attack posting... (yet you still couldn`t be bothered to offer a counterargument to anything...)
And no, STC gets AS MUCH criticism as any other fan production, you just haven`t been paying attention this last decade...
Last edited:
Fairly or unfairly, I think STC gets somewhat less vociferous criticism, and it’s generally constructive. And it’s also worth pointing out that much of that criticism is likely because people are interested and invested enough to want to comment.
Last edited:
So, why was Romulan Ted Cruz's first "attack" maneuver to tear Kirk's shirt? 
Yep, plenty of fan service in this one, and I'm well pleased for it.
To the people complaining about production inaccuracies, has it occurred to you to take into account that it would have been 1970 or 1971 by this point? If the show had continued with a decent budget, they would have continued to develop the way they did things a bit, too. That might not cover all of it, but maybe we can pretend that in the timeline that this exists in, they hired a young man named George Lucas straight out of USC and he was really coming into his own by this point.
To the people complaining about production inaccuracies, has it occurred to you to take into account that it would have been 1970 or 1971 by this point? If the show had continued with a decent budget, they would have continued to develop the way they did things a bit, too. That might not cover all of it, but maybe we can pretend that in the timeline that this exists in, they hired a young man named George Lucas straight out of USC and he was really coming into his own by this point.
Was it just me, or did they lift that from Wrath of Khan when Reliant came out of the nebula? It worked, wherever they got it.
Which is probably why it draws the criticism it does.
You're going on a very small sample size of audience, however. The only way to make a decent comparison is if STC was being aired on an online platform with better advertising.
I don't think it proves that at all, since the audience seems largely composed of fans of TOS.
If you mean the costume and FX design esthetic, well Starship Exeter and the New Voyages series beat STC by a few years as far as firing up the Star Trek fan demographic, TTI for overall production appeal especially. If you mean a wider stretch of hardcores and casual fans, at the risk of waking up the easily outraged, Prelude to Axanar`s FX and visual esthetic (thanks to the director and FX guru Tobias Righter) has it all over STC.
As much as it tickled me to see the old school planet set in this episode, come on, 90% of the population is gonna $hit all over those Styrofoam rock formations.
Last edited:
- Status