Exactly so.
Star Trek Continues - To Boldly Go (Parts I & II)
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Dang!!! It makes me not even want to watch it!!
So the spoiler about Drake's death (which I alluded to prev.) is now out I guess. My own take on Lana's forcing him to kill his crewmate and then himself was not that she couldn't simply do it herself, but rather that she enjoyed it that way because she's a Sadist.
As for nerd service, I chuckled at Vic-Kirk's pronunciation of "sabataaaage", even re-ran it to make sure I heard right. Myself, I see no harm in having a little fun with those references, same goes for the other examples "James R. Kirk, etc".
As for nerd service, I chuckled at Vic-Kirk's pronunciation of "sabataaaage", even re-ran it to make sure I heard right. Myself, I see no harm in having a little fun with those references, same goes for the other examples "James R. Kirk, etc".
I actually liked this a lot better than the last few episodes, but I do agree with a lot of Bixby’s points. I thought Kirk was uncharacteristicly gullible here. I also thought the Spock/McKennah scene should have been Spock/Kirk, but without the romantic undertones (or with if you prefer).
Overall, I did enjoy this, but I am left wondering what is it about. For me, it was still a fun ride though.
The casting of a certain character was excellent. I liked that a lot. And while I still think McKennah is shoehorned in, I also think Michelle Specht is ironically woefully underused. She’s easily one of the best actors in the cast. Todd Haberkron continues to impress me as Spock.
Overall, I did enjoy this, but I am left wondering what is it about. For me, it was still a fun ride though.
The casting of a certain character was excellent. I liked that a lot. And while I still think McKennah is shoehorned in, I also think Michelle Specht is ironically woefully underused. She’s easily one of the best actors in the cast. Todd Haberkron continues to impress me as Spock.
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Something that has bugged me about certain fanfilms in the past is continuity porn. I don't even know if the term existed at the time, but I remember years ago watching the first episode of New Voyages, which was a sequel to a couple different TOS episodes, only it felt more to me like someone just thought it would be really cool to cram in as many references as possible. On the other hand, while this Continues story is also a sequel of sorts to a couple previous episodes, I would say that this is how it's done properly. In this case, it feels less like gratuitous fanservice and more like they just had a worthwhile story to tell.
I've been pretty much consistently impressed by Continues' ability to recast certain parts with actresses who resemble the actor that originated the roles and this one was definitely not an exception. Of course, it doesn't hurt when the original actress has a lookalike daughter that can also act. For a moment, I might have even been tricked into thinking that it was the original actress, even though I knew it couldn't be.
I will admit that I was a little concerned during that first scene between Spock and McKennah. It reminded me a little too much of the relationship between Seven and Chakotay at the end of Voyager that seemed to come out of nowhere. Maybe when this series was going to be longer, there was a plan to spend more time establishing a bond between the characters, but scaling back the number of episodes forced them to accelerate things. Add that to the fact that Spock states that there's no way he'd undergo the kolinahr, it doesn't take a genius to guess that something unfortunate will probably befall McKennah.
If the last episode is as good as this one, I'd say that they'll be ending on a strong note.
I've been pretty much consistently impressed by Continues' ability to recast certain parts with actresses who resemble the actor that originated the roles and this one was definitely not an exception. Of course, it doesn't hurt when the original actress has a lookalike daughter that can also act. For a moment, I might have even been tricked into thinking that it was the original actress, even though I knew it couldn't be.
I will admit that I was a little concerned during that first scene between Spock and McKennah. It reminded me a little too much of the relationship between Seven and Chakotay at the end of Voyager that seemed to come out of nowhere. Maybe when this series was going to be longer, there was a plan to spend more time establishing a bond between the characters, but scaling back the number of episodes forced them to accelerate things. Add that to the fact that Spock states that there's no way he'd undergo the kolinahr, it doesn't take a genius to guess that something unfortunate will probably befall McKennah.
If the last episode is as good as this one, I'd say that they'll be ending on a strong note.
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Compared to the last episode, it's a let down for the depth we'd usually receive. It's a fun action adventure if you like all the other productions and want a modernly defined epic finale hidden under the retro aesthetic of the show.
I don't know, the opening scene felt plesant enough for trying to go into the old style Vulcan mysticism. But when the first of many box ticking events happened it spoiled the whole thing.
The shirt rip was funny for a split second until the fourth wall break of it really set in.
From there it went into fanfic-to-screen territory. Oh some moments really do feel satisfying in a sense of seeing TOS doing some of the things some of us always kind of wanted to see it do, without too much use of post-60's production and so on. But some of the most important dramatic scenes fall short and into parody. Ironically the live action ones, so it's not even CGI's fault.
"Punch it"....okay as someone who loves the new movies, I did like the creativeness of using TNG and *shudder* Nemesis ideas to expand on the Romulans frorm the Prime POV, but I really do not expect to find anything from the Abramsverse in a essentially 'pure' TOS experience. Not when they still used the correct switches from TOS, I suppose the TMP sound and light effect (and not so subtle hint of "Oh, wel'll try and use this on the refit to make warp better to explain TMP warp" thing) maybe make up for it.
McCoy and Scotty...just why. It was such a waste.
"Vulcan death grip"...*headdesk*
The worst part is that Part 1 of anything is always the slow boil and cerebral of the two. Which means we can count on Part 2 being even more crazy. It just doesn't feel quite right.
I mean, I have been very disappointed with Discovery. So maybe I gave this much more of a free pass for simply enjoying it so much on first viewing because it pushed so many more of the right buttons, but it feels rushed and almost overcompensating, too eager to try and provide a big finish that doesn't gel with their initial concept.
I don't know, the opening scene felt plesant enough for trying to go into the old style Vulcan mysticism. But when the first of many box ticking events happened it spoiled the whole thing.
The shirt rip was funny for a split second until the fourth wall break of it really set in.
From there it went into fanfic-to-screen territory. Oh some moments really do feel satisfying in a sense of seeing TOS doing some of the things some of us always kind of wanted to see it do, without too much use of post-60's production and so on. But some of the most important dramatic scenes fall short and into parody. Ironically the live action ones, so it's not even CGI's fault.
"Punch it"....okay as someone who loves the new movies, I did like the creativeness of using TNG and *shudder* Nemesis ideas to expand on the Romulans frorm the Prime POV, but I really do not expect to find anything from the Abramsverse in a essentially 'pure' TOS experience. Not when they still used the correct switches from TOS, I suppose the TMP sound and light effect (and not so subtle hint of "Oh, wel'll try and use this on the refit to make warp better to explain TMP warp" thing) maybe make up for it.
McCoy and Scotty...just why. It was such a waste.
"Vulcan death grip"...*headdesk*
The worst part is that Part 1 of anything is always the slow boil and cerebral of the two. Which means we can count on Part 2 being even more crazy. It just doesn't feel quite right.
I mean, I have been very disappointed with Discovery. So maybe I gave this much more of a free pass for simply enjoying it so much on first viewing because it pushed so many more of the right buttons, but it feels rushed and almost overcompensating, too eager to try and provide a big finish that doesn't gel with their initial concept.
LOL if you make that decision based on these boards you would not have seen any of them
I wish Drake's demise had more impact since he's been with the production since the beginning and had some important screen time in a few episodes. I'm not sure what they could have done to make it more tragic, though. Interesting that Dickerson sort of took over the role of security chief from the beginning of the episode. I would think Drake would be part of the landing party.. Perhaps it was due to the actor's availability?
Nicola Bryant was fantastic in it. My only criticism would be that she seemed to be blinking unnaturally in the initial scenes, like the contacts were bothering her.
Nicola Bryant was fantastic in it. My only criticism would be that she seemed to be blinking unnaturally in the initial scenes, like the contacts were bothering her.
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Better directed would have done it
You should watch it for yourself to make your own judgment.
I had forgotten the Section 31 remark until I read back over the other reviews. That one especially stood out as poor and contrived.
As far as I really care, Section 31 should have it's own standalone series and not be mentioned by any other productions. It's a stupid concept from DS9 that does not fit anywhere else. Starfleet Intelligence would have been fine for the Enterprise novels which I enjoy, but S31 was one of the weaker elements.
That said. Article 14 is a public portion of the charter (which is available online for anyone to read, and in-universe for all Starfleet personnel to read) so maybe she simply mentioned it, when the organisation are not involved.
Afterall, they don't seem to be present to eliminate their experiments. S31 would not have created godlike mutants without a kill switch.
As far as I really care, Section 31 should have it's own standalone series and not be mentioned by any other productions. It's a stupid concept from DS9 that does not fit anywhere else. Starfleet Intelligence would have been fine for the Enterprise novels which I enjoy, but S31 was one of the weaker elements.
That said. Article 14 is a public portion of the charter (which is available online for anyone to read, and in-universe for all Starfleet personnel to read) so maybe she simply mentioned it, when the organisation are not involved.
Afterall, they don't seem to be present to eliminate their experiments. S31 would not have created godlike mutants without a kill switch.
Yeah, it seems like Drake was demoted to a standard redshirt security guard instead of his usual Security Chief role which put him on par with the other redshirt, He should have had some screen time in the capacity of Security Chief, giving orders, transmitting information to the captain and of course having a more purposeful death.
Not exactly what I meant, Zaminhon. Just look at HBO's Games of Thrones series where dozens of minor characters are constantly killed off and they more often than not put meaning and pathos in these scenes.
I would have had Lana immobilizing Drake and the redshirt, close-up on Lana with a more evil and lustfull expression- cut to 2-shot Drake and Redshirt as Drake`s hand pivots phaser towards RS- closer on Drake`s bionic arm as it struggles against Lana`s power- cut to Drake headshot (sweating and struggling)- cut to head and shoulder shot helpless Redshirt panicking- cut to Drake`s right hand with phaser almost in position- headshot Drake reacting with impotent rage- quick cuts redshirt/Drake/Drake`s right hand firing phaser/ Redshirt vaporizing/Drake reacting- then cut to ecstatic Lana as she readies to eliminate the other man...
the same idea for Drake`s disintegration...
Overall I liked it, I really thought that I would not like it at all, with two STC-esque throw forwards in the first 2 minutes I was ready to say no thank you ...but the story carried through in spite of itself. The in-jokes just annoy me, but I would rate it 7.5 out of 10.
oh and listen yo yo it's a saboatage
oh and listen yo yo it's a saboatage
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It was not without its flaws, but all the callbacks (and callforwards, if that's a thing) that people are complaining about are not out of place in a finale. I liked it and if Part 2 "delivers the goods", it will stand not only as a fitting end for "Continues" but the fitting finale for TOS itself that we never really got.
how`s that?
Well, kinda like the end of "Revenge of the Sith" (2005), tying everything up in a bow with call forwards to set up "A New Hope" and the movies that followed. Can't say I loved how Lucas did that, but like E-DUB said, the practice is not out of place (another example: the last scene of "Red Dragon" (2002)), and likely is what many people want to see. I'm sure that's why filmmakers do it.
A couple more examples. E.R. when Doctor Greene exits. His final episode mirrors the very first episode. (Which honestly always made it feel like the natural end of the show, since we basically started the journey with Dr. Greene and "You set the tone." being transferred from one doctor to another.)
Other Trek examples would be All Good Things basically being a mirror for Encounter At Farpoint. Making references and nods to many of the adventures they had gone on.
Other Trek examples would be All Good Things basically being a mirror for Encounter At Farpoint. Making references and nods to many of the adventures they had gone on.
The planet set looks great. 
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