Star Trek Continues, Episode 4...

[northstar]

Thanks for the insight, Greg - I did not know you had such intimate knowledge of the Farragut/STC monetary situation. I was under the impression you were more involved with Phase 2...

I might add that I am still not convinced that nobody is making any money. And that is completely fine with me - you just have to be honest about it.

Speaking of that - I remember watching the first episodes of that with Mr. Drexlers VFX. Those were quite frankly not very impressive, especially some of the ships movements were quite strange. I´m glad he seems to have a come around and got a handle on that now.

 

[doubleohfive]

Anyone who thinks that travel from L.A. (and other points across both the U.S. and Canada), lodging, food, day-to-day transportation and transportation to and from the airport for over 40 people and a thousand other logistics is not expensive; just plain does not know what they are talking about. STC does not make any money: period!

Farragut does not have near the expenses that STC has so obviously their budget is smaller.

@Feek61: I think the question others were raising was why doesn't Farragut have the expenses that STC has? What tricks has Farragut learned about keeping their costs down that STC could also do to keep their costs down?

As I recall, the majority of the Farragut cast and crew are locally based in Kingsland or in nearby states (Virginia/Maryland, and also D.C.)... which would seem to eliminate costs relating to travel, lodging, food, etc. that would otherwise be required for the cast of Star Trek Continues, who, I believe, all reside in Los Angeles.

And as feek mentioned above, and which I can most assuredly attest to, travel from L.A. to D.C. is no cheap or inexpensive endeavor as I've learned over the past eight years whenever I want to travel home for the holidays or any other time of year. I can easily see airfare costs alone ratcheting up the expenses Star Trek Continues' has to deal with being a significant source of costs and also, largely why Farragut's operating and production budget would be smaller.

It does amuse me however that there are people questioning how the money is spent, when the same questions could very well be (and have been, to much ballyhooing and indignant cries of "how dare you ask!") from supporters of Star Trek Axanar.

Let me rephrase that -- the inherent hypocrisy of such comments from that camp amuses me. I guess what's good for the goose is good for the gander, n'est-ce pas?

 

[GSchnitzer]

Thanks for the insight, Greg - I did not know you had such intimate knowledge of the Farragut/STC monetary situation. I was under the impression you were more involved with Phase 2...

I might add that I am still not convinced that nobody is making any money. And that is completely fine with me - you just have to be honest about it.

Speaking of that - I remember watching the first episodes of that with Mr. Drexlers VFX. Those were quite frankly not very impressive, especially some of the ships movements were quite strange. I´m glad he seems to have a come around and got a handle on that now.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply some intimate insider knowledge of Farragut's and STC's financial workings. I am only speculating that the production costs between Farragut and STC are not actually all that different. My speculation is that they are merely subsidizing some of the two productions' shared costs with STC's Kickstarter money. But this is just common sense conjecture on my part.

And, yes, we've heard those criticisms about Doug's early VFX work for us for some years now. I'm not sure what his thinking was at the time. His ship movements do seem odd in retrospect.

 

[urbandefault]

Thanks for the insight, Greg - I did not know you had such intimate knowledge of the Farragut/STC monetary situation. I was under the impression you were more involved with Phase 2...

I might add that I am still not convinced that nobody is making any money. And that is completely fine with me - you just have to be honest about it.

Speaking of that - I remember watching the first episodes of that with Mr. Drexlers VFX. Those were quite frankly not very impressive, especially some of the ships movements were quite strange. I´m glad he seems to have a come around and got a handle on that now.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply some intimate insider knowledge of Farragut's and STC's financial workings. I am only speculating that the production costs between Farragut and STC are not actually all that different. My speculation is that they are merely subsidizing some of the two productions' shared costs with STC's Kickstarter money. But this is just common sense conjecture on my part.

It makes sense to me that the "higher profile" production would pay more than the "lower profile" production's costs. If that means paying the rent on the building, utilities, etc., the partner pulling in the cash should bear the financial burden (in this case). Everyone wins.

And, yes, we've heard those criticisms about Doug's early VFX work for us for some years now. I'm not sure what his thinking was at the time. His ship movements do seem odd in retrospect.

Artists. Who knows what they're thinking?

 

[Zaminhon]

Yep, STC will no doubt make their goal of financing the engineering and planet sets which obviously benefits Farragut among other productions that may use the sets.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Just had a look at STC's Kickstarter page and its videos. I wish them good luck and seems like they'll meet their goals pretty easily enough.

Just one thing really bothered me about it: I don't know what bug is up Doug Drexler's butt, but as one unfamiliar with him or his accomplishments before joining this site some months ago, I was really turned off by his completely unprofessional comments towards ''other fan films'', and I don't know whose idea it was to spread those trophies in front of him but that made him look even more douchey.

He said it wasn't his idea and seemed a bit embarrassed by it.

 

[Mr_Homn]

Pledged $75 to the new Kirkstarter!

 

[Duane]

Doubleohfive wrote: "It does amuse me however that there are people questioning how the money is spent, when the same questions could very well be (and have been, to much ballyhooing and indignant cries of "how dare you ask!") from supporters of Star Trek Axanar."

Spending behind "Prelude to Axanar" was quite well documented, more so than any production I have ever seen.

Double0, I don't get you, man. You admit you don't follow "Axanar" closely and then you make these comments which prove you don't.

As far as STC, travel costs for 40+ people will easily eat up the budget. I don't think anyone is trying to make money here.

 

[doubleohfive]

Doubleohfive wrote: "It does amuse me however that there are people questioning how the money is spent, when the same questions could very well be (and have been, to much ballyhooing and indignant cries of "how dare you ask!") from supporters of Star Trek Axanar."

Spending behind "Prelude to Axanar" was quite well documented, more so than any production I have ever seen.

My point wasn't that Axanar didn't explain where the money has been going. My point was that when queried about it, the same people pointing questions here toward Star Trek Continues acted as if it were some egregious offense to them. Hypocrisy.

Too, there's the very shady ambiguity surrounding the self-published These Are The Voyages books, a project which Axanar has supported and profited from. That throws all kinds of shade their way in my opinion.

As far as STC, travel costs for 40+ people will easily eat up the budget. I don't think anyone is trying to make money here.

Precisely.

 

[BigJake]

Too, there's the very shady ambiguity surrounding the self-published These Are The Voyages books

And to think you went without pushing this talking point for almost two whole weeks! That must be some kind of record for you.

 

[doubleohfive]

Too, there's the very shady ambiguity surrounding the self-published These Are The Voyages books

And to think you went without pushing this talking point for almost two whole weeks! That must be some kind of record for you.

Do you have anything else to add, or are you just going to keep up with these lame, drive-by trolling comments?

I've told you before -- you are more than welcome to PM me if you want to do this. As you have yet to do so, it's clear to me you just like trolling me in front of an audience. Bravo, sir.

 

[BigJake]

Do you have anything else to add

No, I pretty much said the "anything else" last time out on the Axanar thread, you can just refer back to that.

As far as STC, travel costs for 40+ people will easily eat up the budget. I don't think anyone is trying to make money here.

I don't see any particular reason for suspicion either.

 

[doubleohfive]

Do you have anything else to add

No, I pretty much said the "anything else" last time out on the Axanar thread, you can just refer back to that.

So unlike then, you're just trolling me here. Glad we were able to sort that out.

 

[BigJake]

So unlike then, you're just trolling me here.

If it's "trolling" you to remind you of a prior post that addressed a current issue.

 

[Kelso]

I would like to have the episodes on disk, but $200 is a bit steep for me. But I'll happily throw a few bucks into the hat to keep the episodes coming.

 

[DCR]

I would like to have the episodes on disk, but $200 is a bit steep for me. But I'll happily throw a few bucks into the hat to keep the episodes coming.

Yep, they make quality stuff even if I haven't always agreed with their storytelling choices. I really hope they blow past their target so we can get even more episodes before the next Kirkstarter.

 

[Warped9]

Re: how a Kickstarter works. They have a target, but I assume they are allowed to go beyond their target--correct?

 

[doubleohfive]

As has been demonstrated by Star Trek Continues and some other fan films' previous Kickstarters, yes.

 

[DCR]

Re: how a Kickstarter works. They have a target, but I assume they are allowed to go beyond their target--correct?

Yes, they can go beyond the target. However, if they don't make the goal, they don't get anything.

 

[Kelso]

They have announced stretch goals for when/if they surpass the target goal including an engine room set, planet set, and additional episodes.