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Star Trek Continues, Episode 4 - "The White Iris"

Dealing with the guilt Kirk feels over women he loved and lost is very much a contemporary type story where they feel the compulsion to explain or rationalize the hero's behaviour. They are effectively trying to make him seem less of a bastard.

This is the challenge of trying to write for a show created fifty years ago because inevitably contemporary perspectives will creep into the production. It's a contemporary perspective trying to "fix" perceived past mistakes.

I never thought Kirk was a bastard because of his past relationships and that some of them died. As such I didn't see the need to have it explained what whatever guilt he might carry might do to him. But that's me and I can see how someone else might believe otherwise. And so then it comes down to execution.

In TOS we never got to see a woman commanding in Starfleet except for Number One. After that it was never explicitly stated anywhere that a woman could not command, but for whatever reason the writers never chose to again explore that possibility. Since then writers have addressed this issue by creating female characters in Starfleet command positions during the TOS era. And now the fan film productions are also doing it. They are responding to a possibility not more fully explored in TOS after "The Cage." In this case they're not really injecting a contemporary idea because the idea was already there all the way back to the beginning. The holodeck is another example of exploring an old idea never realized originally.

There are any number of ideas mentioned or not fully explored throughout TOS that could be the springboard for wholly new stories. But even then there are limits and you then have to resort to contemporary ideas explored in the TOS style yet still seem like something that could have been done back in the day.
 
Dealing with the guilt Kirk feels over women he loved and lost is very much a contemporary type story where they feel the compulsion to explain or rationalize the hero's behaviour. They are effectively trying to make him seem less of a bastard.

I don't mind that they tried to stretch the format or explore a more "contemporary" depth to Kirk. What I do have a problem with is that they did it in the most banal ways where everyone is reactive in the story and revealed something of Kirk that we didn't already know.
 
And the TNG vibe has also been noted in other critiques of "Continues" and their episodes. Like PII/NV, "Continues" often feels like a TNG-episode in TOS drag.

Not to say that PII/NV is perfect, but I find "TNG in TOS drag" to be less of an issue with their productions than with Continues, where it's been an issue for me in every episode except perhaps "Fairest," which reminded me more of Enterprise.
 
To be fair, the original 1978 Phase II (had it happened) would have come across as 'TNG in TOS drag.' Gene Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek had evolved considerably by then. If we suspend disbelief here and follow Continues' creative conceit that this is the 1969-1970 season (post-Apollo 11 and Woodstock), Fred Freiberger's already stripped most of the banter and humor from the show in exchange for emotional angst, and newlywed/social warrior Gene actually has time to devote to the series while pounding out the script of Pretty Maids All in a Row for MGM, this course correction in the series could be seen (in a retroactive alternate universe sort of way) as the first steps towards that more enlightened outlook that would reach full flower in TNG.
 
I don't think Roddenberry's thinking about Trek had evolved much by 1969–70 when such a 4th season would've happened. I think his focus change happened as a direct result of his fan interactions after the show was cancelled and he developed his public speaking persona.
 
And the TNG vibe has also been noted in other critiques of "Continues" and their episodes. Like PII/NV, "Continues" often feels like a TNG-episode in TOS drag.

Not to say that PII/NV is perfect, but I find "TNG in TOS drag" to be less of an issue with their productions than with Continues, where it's been an issue for me in every episode except perhaps "Fairest," which reminded me more of Enterprise.

I find that PII/NV sometimes indulges in the worse aspects of Berman-era Trek, as well as not focusing on the Big Three of Kirk, Spock and McCoy in favor of miscellaneous characters like Peter Kirk.

As for "Fariest," it felt like a direct rip of "In a Mirror Darkly" with Mirror Kirk acting as ineffectual and angsty as Mirror Archer.
 
"Fairest" Kirk seems to be channeling "The Enemy Within" Kirk with a dash of Janet Lester.

Very odd that it's been over a week and "Iris" is still not up on Youtube. I did find a poorly "dubbed" version in Russian. (I guess it was more of a real time voice-over translation.)
 
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"Fairest" Kirk seems to be channeling "The Enemy Within" Kirk with a dash of Janet Lester.

Very odd that it's been over a week and "Iris" is still not up on Youtube. I did find a poorly "dubbed" version in Russian. (I guess it was more of a real time voice-over translation.)
I would love to have a link to that.

I assume you know the story, that it was taken down. But I am also guessing that You Tube takes its sweet time putting things back up, if they put them back up at all.
 
Youtube does take it's time getting content back up. Usually a week plus.

As far as vibes... Continues has far less of a TNG vibe than NV/PHII (which frankly isn't really an issue). Vic in White Iris is channeling Shatner in Enemy Within. That's the episode that immediately came to mind when I finished up White Iris. Plopped by TOS blu ray in... and sure enough White Iris really follwed the forumla for a lot of Season 1 episodes in which Kirk or Spock are deconstructed to a degree.

I've also noted a few on the boards suggesting that Kirk would never show the kind of weakness he does in front of the crew... Sure he does. In Enemy Within, Kirk is weak, hesitant in his decision making, and against his first officer's wishes, admits to the crew that there's an imposter of him aboard. In Balance of Terror he gets into a shouting match with a subordinate (Styles) who questions a number of Kirk's decisions, and in one instance Kirk actually backs down, and takes Style's advice.
 
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Youtube does take it's time getting content back up. Usually a week plus.

Yeah, they're something of a pain, that way. :(

I've also noted a few on the boards suggesting that Kirk would never show the kind of weakness he does in front of the crew... Sure he does. In Enemy Within, Kirk is weak, hesitant in his decision making, and against his first officer's wishes, admits to the crew that there's an imposter of him aboard. In Balance of Terror he gets into a shouting match with a subordinate (Tomlinson) who questions a number of Kirk's decisions, and in one instance actually backs down, and takes Tomlinson's advice.


Tomlinson was the kid in Phaser Control who was supposed to get married at the beginning but ends up getting killed. I think you're thinking of Lt. "I'm very interested in why!" Styles.
 
"Fairest" Kirk seems to be channeling "The Enemy Within" Kirk with a dash of Janet Lester.

Very odd that it's been over a week and "Iris" is still not up on Youtube. I did find a poorly "dubbed" version in Russian. (I guess it was more of a real time voice-over translation.)
I would love to have a link to that.

I assume you know the story, that it was taken down. But I am also guessing that You Tube takes its sweet time putting things back up, if they put them back up at all.

Here's the link to the Russian narrated version..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmjvy13K7Xs


Geekvolution's entire youtube channel was off line due to some kind of infringement for exactly one day. They are back up.
 
Youtube does take it's time getting content back up. Usually a week plus.

As far as vibes... Continues has far less of a TNG vibe than NV/PHII (which frankly isn't really an issue). Vic in White Iris is channeling Shatner in Enemy Within. That's the episode that immediately came to mind when I finished up White Iris. Plopped by TOS blu ray in... and sure enough White Iris really follwed the forumla for a lot of Season 1 episodes in which Kirk or Spock are deconstructed to a degree.

I've also noted a few on the boards suggesting that Kirk would never show the kind of weakness he does in front of the crew... Sure he does. In Enemy Within, Kirk is weak, hesitant in his decision making, and against his first officer's wishes, admits to the crew that there's an imposter of him aboard. In Balance of Terror he gets into a shouting match with a subordinate (Styles) who questions a number of Kirk's decisions, and in one instance Kirk actually backs down, and takes Style's advice.

I have to disagree that the TNG vibe is weaker in STC than NV. NV doesn't go to the command conferences, the Counselor, or the Holodeck the way STC does.

I don't think it's bad, but when it reaches a certain point it puts me in a different headspace as a viewer, and that may not always give the end results the production crew intended. It was certainly a factor with "The White Iris," which definitely felt more like a TNG episode than a TOS one to me. It was an enjoyable fan film, but if STC's goal is to faithfully recreate the experience of watching a TOS episode, then I think they missed the mark.

I still enjoyed it, and I'm looking forward to the next episode, and any that follow.
 
...if STC's goal is to faithfully recreate the experience of watching a TOS episode, then I think they missed the mark.
Yes, that's the thing. They're doing too many things that detract from getting that TOS vibe. You might get away with a few little things, but they're doing too many.

The way they introduced the TOS era holodeck in "Pilgrim Of Eternity" was fine. But then when they featured it again three episodes later in "The White Iris" they used it exactly as TNG would have done.

The story itself was written much like a TNG episode only with TOS trappings. As a result the feel was wrong. And although they've made vague references to things post TOS since the beginning they were more blatant in "The White Iris" in referencing something that simply didn't exist back in the day.

Their episodes are laced with bits of TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT style technobabble. The characters sometimes speak and use terms that are clearly post TOS in nature.

All those little things add up to affecting the overall feel or vibe of the production.

If they had restricted themselves to simply consulting and interacting with McKennah when required I think they could still make it work. But when you throw all the other bits into the soup you really change the flavour.

I don't know if they're doing it, but I would suggest trying to write the episodes with a brief teaser and four acts the way TOS was written. They're also writing the characters more as reactive rather than proactive, especially Kirk.
 
STC needs to throw around the term "Engrams" more. I thought that was a made up term from TOS, but it's a real term that describes memory functions of some kind. Sounds so cool and 60's trek. "I've imprinted the computer with my engrams".
 
STC needs to throw around the term "Engrams" more. I thought that was a made up term from TOS, but it's a real term that describes memory functions of some kind. Sounds so cool and 60's trek. "I've imprinted the computer with my engrams".

"Engrams" is a term from Scientology. It does not reflect science.
 
STC needs to throw around the term "Engrams" more. I thought that was a made up term from TOS, but it's a real term that describes memory functions of some kind. Sounds so cool and 60's trek. "I've imprinted the computer with my engrams".

"Engrams" is a term from Scientology. It does not reflect science.

A quick Google search shows that the term "engrams" was coined years before L. Ron Hubbard was ever born. The term was (and still is) a legitimate neuropsychological term even before it got co-opted by Dianetics/Scientology in the 1950s.
 
Allow me to weigh in on this "feels more like TNG" issue. As a person who can count on his fingers the number of TNG episodes he has actually watched, I can say that I am reasonably unacquainted with the overall tone of TNG in general, whereas I am quite well versed in the tone of TOS.

There was nothing about the tone of The White Iris that seemed, to me, outside the universe of what one might feel from a more introspective TOS episode. So from my mostly-untainted perspective, I think it's all good.

(Incidentally, I've seen one DS9 episode, no VOY, no ENT.) ;)
 
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