Star Trek Continues: Episode 3...

[dswynne1]

I definitely want to see the Andorians and the Tellerites examined more in this or other productions. Heck, I'm sure "Memory Alpha" and "Memory Beta" has plenty of source materials in terms of what types of aliens are there for the Enterprise to come across.

BTW, it was nice that "The Captain's Woman" ends up becoming Mirror-Spock's First Officer. In fact, I could easily see a series were Mirror-Spock and crew become pirates in the spirit of the Pirates of the Caribbean. But, alas, we must move forward, so that we can complete the goal of finishing out the remainder two years of the legendary five-year mission.

Second star to the right, and straight on 'til Morning!

 

[feek61]

What do we predict the next one is going to be? A Klingon story? Harry Mudd returns? More Tribbles?

I can tell you, no, no and no!!!

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

What do we predict the next one is going to be? A Klingon story? Harry Mudd returns? More Tribbles?

I can tell you, no, no and no!!!

Good, good and good!!!!

 

[otomo]

Watched eps 1-2 yesterday and this today, and I've gone a couple places on the internet to see fan reaction, and I have to say: gosh it must be terrible to produce anything these days, especially something Star Trek or mainstream superhero related!

And I'm just as guilty as the rest of the internet. I came into this particular episode wary. Enjoyed the first couple episodes, and I too, like many, was already thinking "I wish fan films would do a little less sequels of shows, references of past shows and just focus on creating their own trek material." Especially when it comes to the Mirror Universe, I think I was over seeing more of that after the first DS9 visitation to it. Then there's countless comics, books, fanfic that deal with it. So despite enjoying the Apollo episode, really loving Leilani, and seeing how amazing this show is from set design to acting to directing...I could go on for hours, I was thinking "ehh, I'll probably half pay attention to this one."

I was wrong. It held my attention through the whole thing DESPITE my fatigue of seeing references, remakes and extensions of old trek concepts. This episode as many have said, is their best, and I think they'll keep getting better. Experience is a good thing.

I've seen on effects people saying it both ways that the episodes don't have enough action, and that that's the one thing that strays too far from TOS -- but honestly, I think their choices fit the episodes they've been doing quite well. None of their effects have taken me out of the episodes.

I love the directorial choices. So many shots, postures, mannerisms that are captured really make me feel like I'm in TOS and forget this is a new fan production. Amazing work there.

And then I thought about if I were producing a trek fan film or whatnot. You know, I'd reference the old show as much as I could get away with, get as many old actors as I could to work with, and do what I could with direct sequels as well. Why? Well, more people would be inclined to watch it for one, but two... if I were involved in something like this, the whole point is to BE in the original series. What better way to revisit those concepts and put your own take on those, as well as the series as a whole? We're all just nitpicking way too much.

Good work all involved, thank you for your time and energy. I do hope to see an episode that's non-bottle soon, like many others, but I think it's good to have taken the route so far to get your feet wet in these productions.

 

[Warped9]

What do we predict the next one is going to be? A Klingon story? Harry Mudd returns? More Tribbles?

I can tell you, no, no and no!!!

Good, good and good!!!!

Yes, yes and yes!


I think they have just the right balance of action and exposition. They also don't overdo the action. In contemporary Trek far too often drama relied on ship battles and technobabble and then even more tech, tech, tech. A bit of contemporary technobabble still creeps in here, but it's minor and thankfully not overdone.

All the actors are getting into a grove. Haberkorn really stepped up his game and felt even more like Spock than ever. In TOS the differences between Prime Spock and Mirror Spock were very subtle and Haberkorn caught some of that. Mind you the way Mirror Spock behaved by the end of the episode was pretty much the way Prime Spock could be like in the Prime universe.

I, too, commend them for overcoming the sense of fatigue many of us could feel by fan fascination with rehashing. STC made this story engaging. I found myself grinning throughout much of it. Afterwards I couldn't help but wonder how the TOS would have done this and I don't it would have been much different. Watching Shatner playing Mirror Kirk throughout this could have been a treat.

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

I can tell you, no, no and no!!!

Good, good and good!!!!

Yes, yes and yes!

, and !!!!

 

[HarryM]

Love the "It's Smith, Sir" line, nice little bone. Overall very good! I'd also like to see new stuff not sequels but I'll take this too!

 

[Warped9]

Hey, we're fans. We like to nitpick. Star Trek Continues is rockin' it out.

 

[feek61]

I have posted the first of some "behind-the-scene" photos from STC3 here (starting on post #6):

http://tosgraphics.yuku.com/topic/437?page=1

 

[LMFAOschwarz]

I, too, would have liked to see them use the full fifty minute running time but, for now, I'm stumped to think of what else they could have put in there. I don't feel like it was really missing anything.

Well, you could just think of it as a syndicated, edited-down version...then everything is just fine!

 

[E-DUB]

Hey, if it only takes 40 minutes to tell the story, don't feel obligated to pad. If it takes 50+, that's OK too.

I enjoyed this one, but thought "Lolani" was better.

 

[Warped9]

I have posted the first of some "behind-the-scene" photos from STC3 here (starting on post #6):

http://tosgraphics.yuku.com/topic/437?page=1

Nice! Thanks!

 

[ElimGarak.93-99]

I enjoyed the webisode.

I liked the teaser which was a recap scene from Mirror, Mirror.

It was nice to see what kind of influence Kirk had on the mirror Spock and at the end also most of the crew.

I also liked that they changed the intro a bit, it reminded me of the Enterprise episode: In a mirror, Darkly.

 

[Dave Scarpa]

I just watched it.

Honestly, I felt like a kid again, on a Sunday afternoon in the early-mid-70's, watching Star Trek on channel 22, WWLP from Springfield, Massachusetts! The only thing missing in that regard was the 'snow' in the broadcast...but I didn't really mind not having to adjust the rabbit-ears this time around!

I can't adequately describe my appreciation of the 'sixties' approach to the camera work and story-telling. I also kept thinking "What Shatner could have done with this role!".

I'm not going to say anything else, other than to recommend watching it!

I may have to donate to these guys' cause...

Still Live in Agawam, I remember those days, Star Trek at 4 and Space 1999 at 5, boy what days

 

[Jay]

Am I the only one who found the episode lacking? The writing seemed lackluster to me. Mirror-Spock in the Mirror, Mirror episode talks about how dangerous Vulcans are, but all it takes to convince people to his side is to promise not to hurt them? Why? Why do they trust him if he was yesterday to be feared? And why was Uhura basically the same as our Uhura? It seems the only really nasty people on the ship were Kirk, Sulu, McCoy and a few others? Enough that they fit in a shuttle? Out of 428 people?

They had 10 more minutes they could have used to build a case, see people changing their thinking, etc.

As it was, the story left me cold as too simplistic.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

"The Fairest Of Them All" was absolutely perfect. Great performances from everyone and a well-told, gripping story.

Watching the episode, I wondered how many people on the Internet were going to complain about what an idiot Mirror Kirk is-it takes him forever to realize that Spock is in Auxiliary Control even though it's the most obvious place for him to have gone to try to take over the ship. But I think that was a very nice touch. Unlike Kirk-Prime, Mirror Kirk didn't earn command of the Enterprise. He used the Tantalus Field to leapfrog his way to the Captain's chair like a video game player using a cheat code, so of course he wouldn't be as good a strategist as his prime-universe counterpart. And once the Tantalus Field is taken away from him, he has no idea what to do. It's not at all surprising that Spock was two steps ahead of him the whole time.

 

[Warped9]

It was clear even in "Mirror, Mirror" (as well as in later DS9 followups) that not everyone in the Mirror Universe is inherently savage and sadistic. Both Scotty and Uhura didn't seem much different from their Prime counterparts. They did whatever they needed to do to survive and basically tried to stay out of anyone else's way. Sounds a lot like many who joined the Nazi party, not out of fanaticism or loyalty, but simply to survive in a hostile environment.

In truth if Mirror Spock were smart he'd still watch his back because after a lifetime of living under such a regime I would expect that some remaining aboard could just be keeping their head low until they saw something to their advantage. I would have expected more than just a handful of people to have sided with Mirror Kirk. Of course, if Mirror Starfleet were really being run like a facist regime then there could be a lot of people enlisted (or being pressed into service) merely to survive and perhaps have opportunities not available elsewhere.

The vast majority of Germans during the War were not Nazis or even had any interest in going to war with other nations. The majority were just keeping their heads low and trying to go about their business.

That said I think there are some differences with what we had in "Mirror, Mirror." Originally I had the impression that wiping out an entire civilization was not unusual for the Empire in the MU. But in this episode we get the idea that the destruction of the Halkans is a tipping point. Then again maybe it's just the final straw.

 

[CaptainSerek]

I watched the episode yesterday. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the fine details within as well as the what happened on the other side scenario.

I liked the fact that they used the velour uniforms to suggest it takes place within the same time frame. I liked the other details as well.

Overall, I had fun with it.

 

[Jay]

It was clear even in "Mirror, Mirror" (as well as in later DS9 followups) that not everyone in the Mirror Universe is inherently savage and sadistic. Both Scotty and Uhura didn't seem much different from their Prime counterparts.

When did we see that? And Chekov was about to kill Kirk, and then just tosses down his phaser for Spock?

The story didn't make much sense.

 

[Warped9]

Watching the episode, I wondered how many people on the Internet were going to complain about what an idiot Mirror Kirk is-it takes him forever to realize that Spock is in Auxiliary Control even though it's the most obvious place for him to have gone to try to take over the ship. But I think that was a very nice touch. Unlike Kirk-Prime, Mirror Kirk didn't earn command of the Enterprise. He used the Tantalus Field to leapfrog his way to the Captain's chair like a video game player using a cheat code, so of course he wouldn't be as good a strategist as his prime-universe counterpart. And once the Tantalus Field is taken away from him, he has no idea what to do. It's not at all surprising that Spock was two steps ahead of him the whole time.

This is a good point. And it really underlines that despite appearances there are a lot of disparaties between the two universes. It's not a perfect mirror, but a distorted one. The episode clearly illustrates that there isn't a great difference between Prime Spock and Mirror Spock while Mirror Kirk is nothing like Prime Kirk.

I agree that another five minutes or so could have been used in exposition to flesh things out a bit more.

We also see that Mirror Spock was adaptable. Prime Kirk had suggested that Spock find a reason to save the Halkans and make it stick, but that fell apart when he wasn't able to deter Mirror Kirk from his (not surprising) course of action and the Halkans were destroyed. And so Spock adapted his plan realizing that he had to take more decisive measures.

If there is one character misstep in this I thought it could be Chekov. The original Mirror Chekov seemed just as savage as many of the others while this time around he's more dialed back. Then again some time in the agony booth could have caused him to reconsider and mellow. Maybe his original assassination attempt was something he really wasn't suited for and he was in over his head. He did something youthfully impulsive and/or got roped into something by others more given to scheming. Note how one of the henchman switched sides and tried to curry favour with Kirk. And Prime Kirk seemed to recognize it right off and scotched it.

There is a sometimes simplistic approach to these things. In a realistic world even a dictator has to be able to trust someone to an extent. Even in a savage regime there has to be some measure of loyalty and even friendship even if born out of likemindedness and shared self ineterest. Some of the more successful pirates of old could be ruthless with enemies and still be reasonably fair minded to their crew, and they would follow him more out of loyalty and shared interest rather than simple fear.

In truth one can really overanalyze these things. I still found this entertaining and decently executed overall.