Star Trek Conspiracy

[zenophite]

Vonstadt said:
Not to mention the "Great Purple Teletubbie" conspiracy!

And Barney the satanic dinosaur.

 

[bismarck_1892]

This is silly.

 

[KDoug]

tommy_boyd said:
The story goes something like this: the studio would only fund the project if the creators could write it as a thinly disguised propaganda tool for the sponsor's extremist right wing views. Basically, Star Trek doesn't come out looking clean.

Heck, I'm sold! Do you also have a bridge or some swamp land I could buy? I'm in the market for both of those fine examples of real estate.

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

tommy_boyd said:
Gentleman asks about the monewy. Want to know who paid for the first Star Treks?

Yes, the money. Start with a part of the stack, then give us the rest.

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

tommy_boyd said:
OK. Thanks for the responses. Would any of you doubters be prepared to argue your case on the radio?

Are you prepared to make more than acusations here? You've yet to furnish a shread of proof. This may be fodder for a slimey, shock radio broadcast, but otherwise without substance.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Why are we wasting our time with this nutjob?

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

I dunno. Nothing better to do?

 

[tommy_boyd]

Okay Vonstadt. Which of the component parts of the case against "Star Trek and the Klan" would you like to see evidence for, and what (precisely and reasonably) would satisfy you as evidence?
* The Sponsor's influence on content?
* The Sponsor's alleged links with far right criminal groups?
*The embedding of KKK and Confederacy emblems, motifs and aspirations throughout the show?
*Gene Roddenberry's private and personal political alliegances?

 

[ktanner3]

tommy_boyd said:
The research shows that Desilu was funded by the Marlboro tobacco chain (the packet with three "K" embedded on it). They funded Star Trek. It's been a talking point for many years, unproven, but joined up, that Marlboro used their commercial muscle to propound a political theme. And the influence of sponsors over creative content was no less then than today.

Geez, did you get your conspiracy education from Michael Moore? Most religous conservatives in that era HATED star trek and everything it stood for. If there was a political theme it was radical compared to what was considered "normal" at the time:

-A multicultural crew. Which Rodenberry had to fight with the brass tooth and nail over. A black woman,russian and japanese helmsmen...All this at a time when there was still white only restrooms and drinking fountains in the south.

-Stories that were basically calling american customs barbaric which was NEVER allowed in the popular shows at the time, which coincidently were westerns. The vietnam war,race relations etc.. were stuck on other planets and the starfleet crew commented on them and usually called them wrong.You never saw that on Gunsmoke or Bonanza did you?The writers were mostly science fiction writers who were totally against the happenings of the time and useed the show to say so.If there was any conservative influence, it never made it on screen.Period.

 

[AntonyF]

tommy_boyd said:
OK. Where to start? How about a small point, the preponderance of the letter "K". star treK, KirK, spocK, Klingons. Proves nothing by itself, but interesting when you hear more.

As soon as I saw your name, I thought "Oh, it's the KKK man". It didn't take you long to pull out your trump card.

You are nothing better than an internet conspiracy theorist. You look for patterns to suit your agenda, just like people saw Satan in the smoke of the twin towers. Scotty, Spock, Sulu... all those Ss must equal SATAN!!! If you scramble the numbers of 1701, into a sum, you can have 7-0-1*1 which is 6. Show it three time, the amount of Trek seasons, and you have 666!!! SATAN!

You're nothing better than a troll, and you're trying to stir up opinion again to gives yourself attention.

P.S. And calling yourself a journalist is a little far fetched. You were a kids' TV presenter who now presents local radio.

 

[tommy_boyd]

Anthony. Dear boy, just for the record, prior to moving on to TV, I worked for 4 years for the BBC as a reporter, thence 2 years in Fleet Street (look it up) as a reporter, first for Associated Newspapers, then via stints at Reuters and the Press Association, investigating stories and issues such as the Irish Question, the Middle East, the Iran hostage affair,as well as national issues.
Still reading, or has attention deficit kicked in?
Moving to Radio Journalism I was, at age 22, Senior Editor of London Broadcasting Corporation's rolling news programme "AM", which swept the boards, winning "Best News Show", "Best Investigative Reporting" and "Best Presenters". The Sunday Times said "It is simply the best journalism on the radio today." My National Union of Journalism dues are paid.
And you wouldn't survive 5 minutes in real reportage with lazy text like your last post sonny.

 

[Angel4576]

I love this one;

Star Trek is the world's most dangerous propaganda. Gene Roddenberry was probably funded by Black Ops.

Black Ops, KKK, was there any shady group that didn't have a hand in Star Trek? As for 'The most dangerous propaganda in the world. Yes, it's much worse than this;

In Nazi Germany, the education system was thoroughly co-opted to indoctrinate the German youth with anti-Semitic ideology. This was accomplished through the National Socialist Teachers’ Union, of which 97% of all German teachers were members in 1937. It encouraged the teaching of “racial theory.” Picture books for children such as Don’t Trust A Fox in A Green Meadow Or the Word of A Jew, The Poisonous Mushroom, and The Poodle-Pug-Dachshund-Pincher were widely circulated (over 100,000 copies of Don’t Trust A Fox… were circulated during the late 1930s) and contained depictions of Jews as devils, child molesters, and other morally charged figures. Slogans such as “Judas the Jew betrayed Jesus the German to the Jews” were recited in class.

Yes, Star Trek's much worse than that. Those evil bastards!

I have to admit, it's hard to take you seriously when your views are so clearly 'disturbed';

Popular UK Radio Host Tommy Boyd speaks up against anti-Bush propaganda and reveals the truth once and for all about the greatest President of the United States, ever.

That's right, fuck off Washington you no-hoper!, Bollocks to you Lincoln you fcukwit!, Screw you FDR, who the fuck are you?!, JFK, what a twat! All, inconsequential to the self-evident greatness of one George W. Bush.

Washington won independence, Lincoln abolished slavery, FDR gave America social security, and JFK put men on the moon, but fuck it, that's nothing compared to George's outstanding record.

America is now seen as a threat to world peace by its closest neighbours and allies, according to an international survey of public opinion published today that reveals just how far the country's reputation has fallen among former supporters since the invasion of Iraq.
Carried out as US voters prepare to go to the polls next week in an election dominated by the war, the research also shows that British voters see George Bush as a greater danger to world peace than either the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, or the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Both countries were once cited by the US president as part of an "axis of evil", but it is Mr Bush who now alarms voters in countries with traditionally strong links to the US.

The survey has been carried out by the Guardian in Britain and leading newspapers in Israel (Haaretz), Canada (La Presse and Toronto Star) and Mexico (Reforma), using professional local opinion polling in each country.
It exposes high levels of distrust. In Britain, 69% of those questioned say they believe US policy has made the world less safe since 2001, with only 7% thinking action in Iraq and Afghanistan has increased global security.

The finding is mirrored in America's immediate northern and southern neighbours, Canada and Mexico, with 62% of Canadians and 57% of Mexicans saying the world has become more dangerous because of US policy.

Even in Israel, which has long looked to America to guarantee national security, support for the US has slipped.

Only one in four Israeli voters say that Mr Bush has made the world safer, outweighed by the number who think he has added to the risk of international conflict, 36% to 25%. A further 30% say that at best he has made no difference.

Voters in three of the four countries surveyed also overwhelmingly reject the decision to invade Iraq, with only Israeli voters in favour, 59% to 34% against. Opinion against the war has hardened strongly since a similar survey before the US presidential election in 2004.

In Britain 71% of voters now say the invasion was unjustified, a view shared by 89% of Mexicans and 73% of Canadians. Canada is a Nato member whose troops are in action in Afghanistan. Neither do voters think America has helped advance democracy in developing countries, one of the justifications for deposing Saddam Hussein. Only 11% of Britons and 28% of Israelis think that has happened.

As a result, Mr Bush is ranked with some of his bitterest enemies as a cause of global anxiety. He is outranked by Osama bin Laden in all four countries, but runs the al-Qaida leader close in the eyes of UK voters: 87% think the al-Qaida leader is a great or moderate danger to peace, compared with 75% who think this of Mr Bush.

The US leader and close ally of Tony Blair is seen in Britain as a more dangerous man than the president of Iran (62% think he is a danger), the North Korean leader (69%) and the leader of Hizbullah, Hassan Nasrallah (65%).

Only 10% of British voters think that Mr Bush poses no danger at all. Israeli voters remain much more trusting of him, with 23% thinking he represents a serious danger and 61% thinking he does not.

Contrary to the usual expectation, older voters in Britain are slightly more hostile to the Iraq war than younger ones. Voters under 35 are also more trusting of Mr Bush, with hostility strongest among people aged 35-65.

· ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,010 adults by telephone from October 27-30. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. Polling was by phone in Canada (sample 1,007), Israel (1,078) and Mexico (1,010).

Yep, no doubt about it. George is DEFINITELY the greatest President in US history.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

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