Spoilers Star Trek Beyond

[Dick Whitman]

This is not a spoiler - Archer's Biography shown in the Mirror Universe showed he lived into the 23rd Century. Backed up with alternate Scotty's reference to Admiral Archer in the 2009 movie.

Scott Bakula's current tv series is on CBS. He is on good terms with them. Getting him to cameo as Archer and work around his schedule would be easier due to this. If not a movie maybe the new tv show... I would love something similar to James Cromwell's cameo in Broken Bow...

 

[eyeresist]

I don't buy that

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Edison was on the Enterprise in the Expanse, because that whole storyline wasn't a war as such, it was a mission to prevent a war.

I prefer to think that

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the Xindi didn't vanish with the end of ENT, so possibly there may have been a more conventional military conflict later on.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't buy that

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Edison was on the Enterprise in the Expanse, because that whole storyline wasn't a war as such, it was a mission to prevent a war.

I prefer to think that

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the Xindi didn't vanish with the end of ENT, so possibly there may have been a more conventional military conflict later on.

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The Xindi might be the enemies he had to "make nice" with,
I don't recall all the details of the Xindi arc, but isn't possible other Earth ships encountered Xindi ships while the Enterprise was in the Expanse?

 

[Tosk]

I do not understand the "hyperventilation" some fans get about a show or feature being "ruined" if even a tiny snippet of information gets released.

You don't have to understand it. You don't care about being spoiled, some people do. Respect choices and live a happy life.

 

[eyeresist]

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I don't recall all the details of the Xindi arc, but isn't possible other Earth ships encountered Xindi ships while the Enterprise was in the Expanse?

Possible, but there's no evidence for it.

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The Xindi plan seemed to hinge on the big ball of death, not a conventional war. It is true that in the bleak possible future seen in Twilight, we learn that the Xindi hunted down all the remaining humans, which may have involved conventional ships.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Possible, but there's no evidence for it.

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The Xindi plan seemed to hinge on the big ball of death, not a conventional war. It is true that in the bleak possible future seen in Twilight, we learn that the Xindi hunted down all the remaining humans, which may have involved conventional ships.

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May a few got an early start. Who can say? We mostly followed the Enterprise.

 

[Mach5]

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Edison was on the Enterprise in the Expanse, because that whole storyline wasn't a war as such, it was a mission to prevent a war.

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Edison said "Millions were lost to the Xindi, and the Romulan wars" which could mean that there was more than one war with the Romulans, but doesn't directly imply a war with the Xindi

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Your humble moderator was able to catch the movie over the weekend. Now that I don't have to avoid spoilers anymore, and since the thread title has a spoiler warning, you are free to post spoilers without tags in this thread only.

Please continue to hide spoilers behind tags in non-spoilery threads, per the spoiler protocols thread pinned to the top of the forum. Thanks for your consideration!

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Apologies for the double post, but one more thing...

Regarding spoilers ...
I do not understand the "hyperventilation" some fans get about a show or feature being "ruined" if even a tiny snippet of information gets released.
If you want to see it, you'll see it, regardless of what you may or may not have learned about it beforehand.
If I want to see a picture, even if I know the plot going in, I'll still see it; for performances; visuals,music, et al.
Years ago, when novelizations of big movies were the "in" thing, sometimes these books would appear before the movie came out; yes, I would read ahead.
Didn't hurt my appreciation for the movie in the slightest.
It seems "spoiler" has become a catch-phrase of the 21st century. I've even seen it used in professional op-ed columns of respected newspapers!
People, you'll see it, and see it again, and again. Surprises are for birthdays, not media!
Move along, nothing to see here ... .

It's perfectly fine if you don't view the spoiler issue the same way as those of us for whom an untainted movie-watching experience is part of the fun. But it's certainly not "nothing" to us.

After the new Star Wars movie opened, and before I saw it, I ran into an unhidden spoiler about Han Solo mentioned in passing in a thread here. It was the big surprise of the movie, and already knowing about it pretty much ruined the whole thing for me when I saw the film. Believe me, this issue matters a lot to a lot of people - including the filmmakers who are counting on those surprises to enhance the moviegoing experience. So please, allow us our surprises.

 

[Amaris]

Apologies for the double post, but one more thing...

It's perfectly fine if you don't view the spoiler issue the same way as those of us for whom an untainted movie-watching experience is part of the fun. But it's certainly not "nothing" to us.

After the new Star Wars movie opened, and before I saw it, I ran into an unhidden spoiler about Han Solo mentioned in passing in a thread here. It was the big surprise of the movie, and already knowing about it pretty much ruined the whole thing for me when I saw the film. Believe me, this issue matters a lot to a lot of people - including the filmmakers who are counting on those surprises to enhance the moviegoing experience. So please, allow us our surprises.

This. A thousand times this. I believe we both got spoiled by the same thread, actually.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Here's an article clarifying where the Franklin fits into the Trek timeline.

 

[eyeresist]

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Edison said "Millions were lost to the Xindi, and the Romulan wars" which could mean that there was more than one war with the Romulans, but doesn't directly imply a war with the Xindi

So much hinging on the placement of a comma....

 

[David Strickhouser]

After the new Star Wars movie opened, and before I saw it, I ran into an unhidden spoiler about Han Solo mentioned in passing in a thread here. It was the big surprise of the movie, and already knowing about it pretty much ruined the whole thing for me when I saw the film. Believe me, this issue matters a lot to a lot of people - including the filmmakers who are counting on those surprises to enhance the moviegoing experience.

Whether one is referring to Han Solo's offspring or his fate; either was no surprise to longtime fans of the franchise. The exact details may have been surprising, but the overall character arc was not a surprise.
Longtime fans knew that Harrison Ford felt the character was one dimensional, and that he would have preferred the fate of Solo resolved in ROJ. So what did happen in TFA was no surprise.
Longtime fans knew that Solo and Leia's relationship would reach a logical conclusion: offspring. And that said offspring (one or more) would go to the Dark Side.
The only issue of surprise was the details, not the arc of the character.
Again, no surprises. Nothing spoiled.

And knowing all that, a fan would still enjoy and go to the movie, as I did.

 

[Mach5]

I'd be interested in hearing HR's (@HopefulRomantic) thoughts on Star Trek Beyond.

 

[DonIago]

Whether one is referring to Han Solo's offspring or his fate; either was no surprise to longtime fans of the franchise. The exact details may have been surprising, but the overall character arc was not a surprise.
Longtime fans knew that Harrison Ford felt the character was one dimensional, and that he would have preferred the fate of Solo resolved in ROJ. So what did happen in TFA was no surprise.
Longtime fans knew that Solo and Leia's relationship would reach a logical conclusion: offspring. And that said offspring (one or more) would go to the Dark Side.
The only issue of surprise was the details, not the arc of the character.
Again, no surprises. Nothing spoiled.

And knowing all that, a fan would still enjoy and go to the movie, as I did.

Might I suggest that this is off-topic and would be more suited to its own thread, perhaps in the appropriate forum for discussing board policy?

You've made your opinion clear, but discussing it here won't lead to changes.

 

[David Strickhouser]

Might I suggest that this is off-topic and would be more suited to its own thread, perhaps in the appropriate forum for discussing board policy?

You've made your opinion clear, but discussing it here won't lead to changes.

Fair point. I will adjourn.
Thank you.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Here's an article clarifying where the Franklin fits into the Trek timeline.

Great article that clarified a lot. Thank you for this!

Whether one is referring to Han Solo's offspring or his fate; either was no surprise to longtime fans of the franchise. The exact details may have been surprising, but the overall character arc was not a surprise.
Longtime fans knew that Harrison Ford felt the character was one dimensional, and that he would have preferred the fate of Solo resolved in ROJ. So what did happen in TFA was no surprise.
Longtime fans knew that Solo and Leia's relationship would reach a logical conclusion: offspring. And that said offspring (one or more) would go to the Dark Side.
The only issue of surprise was the details, not the arc of the character.
Again, no surprises. Nothing spoiled.

And knowing all that, a fan would still enjoy and go to the movie, as I did.

As DonIago wisely points out, there has been more than enoigh space taken up talking about spoilers rather than spoilers themselves.

David, I will conclude by saying that your definitions of "longtime fan," "surprise," "enjoy," and "spoiled" differ substantially from mine. Perhaps it's best if we agree to disagree.

I'd be interested in hearing HR's (@HopefulRomantic) thoughts on Star Trek Beyond.

First off, let me say you've been champs with the spoiler tags, and it was great fun to look at all the hidden stuff after I saw the movie. Thank you again. Very intriguing ideas about whether the eventual truce with the Xindi did not sit well with people like Edison, who doubtless lost many friends and personnel to war.

I'll need another viewing to really know what I'm talking about, but I loved how the writers worked the ENT era and references into the plot. Touches like making Edison a MACO and seeing that old video of the Franklin crew wearing jumpsuits reminiscent of our ENT crew's uniforms were fun, and showed a deliberate interest in including the ENT timeline in the Abramsverse, and giving ENT fans a few easter eggs and smiles.

My favorite subplot was Spock/McCoy getting stranded together. The Spock/McCoy dynamic was my fave element of TOS, and I really like the Quinto-Urban byplay in the movies. I love how Urban channels Kelley (Pine's hints of Shatner are also great) and this Spock grieving over his older self's passing was moving. The portrait of the TOS crew at the end was a lovely touch.

Other highlights - the teeny aliens in the opening, the snappy dialogue, the kickass girl who teamed up with "MontgomeryScotty" (apologies, her name escapes me), the poignant moment at the end when Kirk makes a toast to "absent friends" and there is Anton Yelchin in the next shot... *sniffle* Plus there's nothing like seeing the latest version of The Ship Gets Destroyed. This iteration was really impressive.

I enjoyed it, looking forward to more viewings. And very happy that the ENT timeline lives on.

 

[Mach5]

love how Urban channels Kelley (Pine's hints of Shatner are also great)

Finally someone else pointing this out. People keep praising Chris Pine for not channeling Shatner at all, but I've seen subtle hints of Shatner in all three nuTrek films, and was really delighted with the way Chris pulled it off. He made Kirk his own, no doubt, but at the same time adopted some of Shat's recognizable mannerisms in a very organic, natural way.

My favorite "Shat moment" happened at the very end Star Trek 09, when he stepped on the bridge, looked around, and yelled "BONES!". Urban's eye-roll sold the thing completely.

Also, this:

I mean, come on! This right here is neither Pine nor Shatner, this is James Tiberius Kirk in the flesh!

Concerning all the ENT-era references, I loved all of them, but that scene where two elderly Vulcan men deliver Spock some sad news presented an almost perfect 'window' for a Jolene Blalock cameo. Imagine if one of those two Vulcans had been elderly T'Pol. It would not have felt "shoehorned" at all, and this board would have literally imploded.

 

[eyeresist]

I saw Beyond yesterday and was disappointed. I'll put my full thoughts into the main review thread.

I most enjoyed the scenes set on the Franklin, which made me realise one reason I like ENT is that the smaller ship size makes the crew relationship feel more intimate.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I must confess that I, too, was disappointed with STAR TREK: Beyond.