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[Malaika]

I... can't even. You made an entire argument about xenophobia based on absolutely nothing in the clip to support it, and now you're talking about unfounded interpretations, assumptions, creating subplots, preferring simplified explanations, and projecting (all things you did) because I offered up possible alternatives to you immediately and baselessly jumping to a worst case scenario? I wasn't the one making wild and needlessly complicated assumptions about his motives, you were. As McCoy's friends would say to him (and then probably be accused of xenophobia for no coherent reason): Physician, heal thyself.

Lets be calm here.
Maybe I expressed myself wrong, this is a message board and I simply mentioned something I read others saying that made me reconsider my first interpretation and see it from a different perspective that possibly awoke the concern I always had, honestly, that in pushing the Spock/Mccoy banter in nutrek they'd also keep one aspect of the original dynamic that I never liked. If you disagree no problem but I don't think I personally attacked or offended anyone here..

I stand corrected. I don't feel like that interpretation is more far fetched than others. If people find something they don't like in his reaction and the explanation is the stuff I hinted, I don't think it's crazy and invalid.
The way we relate to characters and react to them can be completely different depending on our experiences too.

If you ask someone how many lights they see, you can debate whether there are four lights or five lights, but it's harder to debate when they say they see fish. There has to be some connection to at least semi-reality (even in a fake universe) to act as a framework for discussion. You're just pulling stuff out of the aether.

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There is a scene that is up to interpretation and I took one interpretation and tried to rationalize it with what interviews seem to suggest is the character arc of the Spock/Mccoy dynamic and thus why it would make sense, if that scene is at the beginning, for Mccoy to be a jerk if the intention of the creative team is to show a gradual change in their dynamic. I only use what the scene showed and I don't assume they are already friends because that wasn't showed to me yet. It seems to me you are saying that your interpretations and, say, emotional reaction to the scene is the only valid one but it's not.

 

[Dales]

I... can't even. You made an entire argument about xenophobia based on absolutely nothing in the clip to support it, and now you're talking about unfounded interpretations, assumptions, creating subplots, preferring simplified explanations, and projecting (all things you did) because I offered up possible alternatives to you immediately and baselessly jumping to a worst case scenario? I wasn't the one making wild and needlessly complicated assumptions about his motives, you were. As McCoy's friends would say to him (and then probably be accused of xenophobia for no coherent reason): Physician, heal thyself.

If you ask someone how many lights they see, you can debate whether there are four lights or five lights, but it's harder to debate when they say they see fish. There has to be some connection to at least semi-reality (even in a fake universe) to act as a framework for discussion. You're just pulling stuff out of the aether.

eh.... I thought the mccoy xenophobia accusation was weird too. I saw no such thing in the clip, in fact mccoy smiles at spock before asking if they broke up, which means he was been friendly. we all know mccoy's personalty and from that clip mccoy is clearly trying to help spock out by giving him advice on how to approach earth women.

the scene reminds me of what you will see in a classic sitcom like friends.rachael is uhura, spock is ross and mccoy is joey . Joey did like to bring up how being an Italian gave him a charm among the ladies and he used to give his male friends advice on to approach women with his classic...how you doing line and past relationships stories . that is how I will evaluate the scene. mccoy was actually worried about spock and was giving him some good advice.
Where the xenophobia came from, I do not know

 

[Malaika]

I don't see Mccoy being worried for Spock (or Uhura) there. Nothing in his tone and mannerism suggests anything but mocking Spock, to me. Like honestly, I don't see this big friendship between them and I don't even know how I could.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

I would hazard a guess that the scene, early in the movie, is meant to show the hard time McCoy often gives Spock and how their quasi-adversarial relationship typically plays out. This will be followed by whatever time they spend together during the crisis which will undoubtedly strengthen their relationship as it becomes much more of a friendship. Perhaps even the things they dislike about one another may end up being things they come to appreciate.

The two characters couldn't be more different; Spock is this rigid by-the-book person who was taught to supress emotion while McCoy is this passionate, sarcastic, sardonic human who speaks his mind and his heart. It's not hard to see (as we saw in TOS) how these two different people would get along while serving together.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Vulcans are taught not to free themselves from emotion; they are taught how to suppress emotion. Emotion is still there, and Vulcans do feel emotion.

Shon-ha'lock, love, is the most dangerous emotion of all. It produces many other emotions. Jealousy, shame, rage, grief. You must learn to suppress them all, otherwise they will consume you. I can sense emotions building inside you like a gathering storm. If we begin now, we may be able to stop them. - Vulcan Master, "Gravity"

 

[Malaika]

The way I always understood, and the reboot embraces that, vulcans actually feel more than humans that's why they try to control their feelings. In fact, even when it comes to Spock I'm not sure that his strongest emotions are entirely human..perhaps it's his control that is NOT Vulcan.
They are an interesting race.
I don't find it hard to believe that Spock might actually be more than a decent guy in a relationship.
The fact that he gave her his momma's necklace is quite sweet and meaningful.

I would hazard a guess that the scene, early in the movie, is meant to show the hard time McCoy often gives Spock and how their quasi-adversarial relationship typically plays out. This will be followed by whatever time they spend together during the crisis which will undoubtedly strengthen their relationship as it becomes much more of a friendship. Perhaps even the things they dislike about one another may end up being things they come to appreciate.

That's in part what I was saying. To what extent I don't know but both the dynamics you see in the clip possibly won't end the same way they are at the beginning. They are just not telling you how the movie ends or everything about the dynamics in ONE clip.

If Mccoy is already the friend to Spock you essentially make his character arc suggested by them in interviews useless because this is something that, maybe, he will start to be only by the end of the movie after spending more time with Spock . Where is the character development otherwise?

 

[Tiberius Jim]

I would say they'll be fellow crew members that aren't entirely fond of each other but keep it as professional as possible since they work together at the beginning, and actual friends with a meaningful connection due to the events of the movie and character development at the end.

 

[Trekfan12]

One of the things I loved about TOS was the banter (friendship) between Spock and McCoy. One ep "The Ultimate Computer" I cracked up when McCoy follows Kirk out of engineering and says "Did you see how Spock's eyes lit up? The right computer finally came along."

I'd like to see the reboot S/M have that too. I feel that in some ways Uhura's part got bigger and McCoy's part shrank. That he was put more of a background character in some ways (except for the scene in ID where he saves Kirk's life) He's not as much in the forefront is all I'm saying.
I am hoping with Beyond that the scenes with S/M will be bigger and plenty of both serious and banter discussions.

 

[fireproof78]

The way I always understood, and the reboot embraces that, vulcans actually feel more than humans that's why they try to control their feelings. In fact, even when it comes to Spock I'm not sure that his strongest emotions are entirely human..perhaps it's his control that is NOT Vulcan.
They are an interesting race.
I don't find it hard to believe that Spock might actually be more than a decent guy in a relationship.
The fact that he gave her his momma's necklace is quite sweet and meaningful.



That's in part what I was saying. To what extent I don't know but both the dynamics you see in the clip possibly won't end the same way they are at the beginning. They are just not telling you how the movie ends or everything about the dynamics in ONE clip.

If Mccoy is already the friend to Spock you essentially make his character arc suggested by them in interviews useless because this is something that, maybe, he will start to be only by the end of the movie after spending more time with Spock . Where is the character development otherwise?

Perhaps, if the friendship is there, even in early stages, then perhaps it is a matter of what will draw them together or tear them apart. I don't see it rendering anything "useless" so much as it explores the depth of the relationship or takes a new relationship in to new depths.

Either way, there is development possibilities. One is not a dead end, while the other is the only option to character development.

 

[photon70]

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Hi all,

Don't know if this is legit or not, but this person purports to be live streaming the Australian premiere & red carpet event tomorrow evening my time.

 

[photon70]

I don't see Mccoy being worried for Spock (or Uhura) there. Nothing in his tone and mannerism suggests anything but mocking Spock, to me. Like honestly, I don't see this big friendship between them and I don't even know how I could.

Hi Malaika,

I respect your point of view.

Obviously mine is different.

However, I trust the movie, which we know brings Bones and Spock together, will allow the audience to see just how close these two crew members are as colleagues and probably by film's end, as friends who have fought together and bled together.

 

[photon70]

I read that you guys have a reviews embargo?
Btw, do you have any idea how envious I'm??? xD it's really not fair Australia gets the movie so soon *pouts*

Correct, I believe the embargo lasts until 21st July so I'll be looking forward to reading them and posting links to this website.

 

[AndyPandy]

Yes, there's definitely an embargo in effect until 12:01am on the 21st of July our time.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Got everything crossed that the buzz is good coming out of the world premiere! Have a good time

 

[Disco]

Got everything crossed that the buzz is good coming out of the world premiere! Have a good time

Seconded!

 

[Dales]

Correct, I believe the embargo lasts until 21st July so I'll be looking forward to reading them and posting links to this website.

A day before is worrying, it comes off as if paramount is not confident in the film, I hope I am wrong.Usually critics pour in their reviews a weak before the film.

 

[AndyPandy]

Social media responses are encouraged straight away, I just don't think we're allowed to go spoil the film for you all.

 

[Devon]

A day before is worrying, it comes off as if paramount is not confident in the film, I hope I am wrong.

No, it doesn't mean that. At all.

 

[Campe]

I'm just going to say this about the Spock/Uhura/McCoy scene: It is lacking context. We don't know the relationships and how they've changed between STID and what we saw there. We don't know exactly what is going on between Spock and Uhura. Everybody needs to calm down until we actually see the movie and that particular scene IN CONTEXT.

 

[RAMA]

There was an erroneous rumor that the movie had been test screened a few months ago..before they had a final cut. It strikes me that this early premiere might act as a test of sorts, weeks before the US release.