Bones will be Bones! 
Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
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I think your right it's definitely going to open on the low side no matter what Paramount says about STID it was a huge misstep for the rebooted franchise. In terms of development it took way to much time. Amongst fandom the second half of the movie is largely derided for what it did. And all the rehashed stuff from 2009. This has largely become the narrative about how people feel about the project and Beyond is coming out 3 years after STID once again a damn long time in terms of running a successful movie franchise. If the films good it could have legs and make money over multiple weeks, but with this film's marketing and everything else going on its an uphill battle.
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Holy wall of text, Batman!
Can you provide me with a link to the clip where all this subtext is happening? I went back several pages through the thread but couldn't find it.
Last year was an amazing summer so many great films it felt like I was always at the movies or every other week. This year is lacking and I think after last year interest in going to the theatre for the films in theatres in summer is down. The quality is not there feels like blockbuster season 20 years ago.... Better stuff on tv and Netflix.
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Regardless of the quality of movies, they've still mostly underperformed. Civil War made a ton of money but you could argue it underperformed, BvS definitely underperformed too. They've also spent 50m less on Beyond than they did on Into Darkness, which is fine really.
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Yeah, not seeing any xenophobia there. Just Bones' typical gruff but friendly ribbing of Spock.
I disagree. STID was one of the most successful and highly rated Star Trek films so there should be no reason why Beyond can't build on the success of STID and 09. I dislike Rihanna's song but it alone should nail the marketing.
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I do think there is a 'shelf limit' on how long you can go between releasing sequels and maintain a franchise though- ID4 and Avatar IMO waited/waiting too long.
I thought it was a bit high-schoolish more than gruff, but yeah, still typical of McCoy, who always seems to enjoy it when he can get to Spock.Thanks!
Yeah, not seeing any xenophobia there. Just Bones' typical gruff but friendly ribbing of Spock.
It was critically and with the mass audience fast forward 3 years though and the primary narrative in the media is how much Trekkies disliked it and how J.J and company said they made a mistake however it was received then that's not the narrative the media supports.
For the money spent on STID it underperformed compared to expectations of the studio not majorly but it was not the success they hoped for after Star Trek 09. I am hoping beyond will be even better than 09 and have long legs like the Mission Impossible films.
I think 3 years is about the limit these days for sequels two years seems to be the sweet spot. It depends on Marketing campaigns and Beyond's has not been very good.
The marketing campaign hasn't been good according to...you?
I am on the road a lot listen to a lot of podcasts about the movie industry lots of commentary from pundits so far the beyond marketing has been talked about as not being a good campaign. For example the first trailer with Sabotage got a lot of bad buzz. The worst campaign out there right now according to pundits is Ghostbusters yikes that is one awful marketing campaign.
I think the marketing has really got its sh*t together these past couple of months. They're pushing all the right buttons with the retro-style posters, trailers and TV spots.
On a different point, I'm warming big time to the concept that triggers the events of the movie: at what point does a programme of peaceful expansion and exploration become objectionable to some external species or space-faring civilisation? I always had the similar question when watching Trek on TV except I wondered what would happen if the Federation encountered a similar organisation from beyond the galaxy. Would they cooperate? Would one try to integrate the other?
On a different point, I'm warming big time to the concept that triggers the events of the movie: at what point does a programme of peaceful expansion and exploration become objectionable to some external species or space-faring civilisation? I always had the similar question when watching Trek on TV except I wondered what would happen if the Federation encountered a similar organisation from beyond the galaxy. Would they cooperate? Would one try to integrate the other?
The marketing has definitely improved over the last two months or so. The key concerns I heard about the marketing was the delay on the third trailer and the use of the Rhianna song to promote it almost having the song overshadow the trailer and the film it's attached to.
I am really hoping the story is good for this film!
Which I really don't understand. I thought it was a great trailer for the action-adventure crowd.
that's possible
yeah but Bones doesn't even know what happened between them, he likely assumes it's something Spock must have done because of his prejudice and bias against him ^ (regardless if one wants to see more in that and thus call it xenophobia or other words)
it's funny that Bones, of all the people, said that since he's divorced and it seems like he's still single?
say what you want about Spock, but he's the one who is keeping a relationship since years. Maybe Bones should ask HIM some advice
eta: and if Spock was a petty soul like me, maybe he would have called him out on that and at least replied 'oh? you know that from personal experience, I guess'.
or maybe some people are worried that they'll make their dynamic like it was in tos where...
Bones will be Bones!
.. where Bones being 'McCoy' also meant he was, at times, xenophobic/racist with Spock.
also, honestly I wouldn't call Spock and Bones friends in the reboot. isn't this movie supposed to be the one where they get a mutual understanding/respect for each other?
if the clip is from the beginning, it makes more sense you are seeing them at odds and NOT friends, than the opposite.
seriously? that was one of the smallest posts I ever wrote here
Is there a characters limit and I didn't know?
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