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Which I really don't understand. I thought it was a great trailer for the action-adventure crowd.
But, but -- TEH MOTORCYCLE!!

To be honest, in my opinion at least, that first teaser doesn't compare well to what's come out since. If it was a stumble, I'd say they've recovered very well, though. What we've seen so far looks great.
 
This is my first post (with this account) - I'm fortunate enough to be one of the 30 winners of double passes to the Sydney world premiere on Thursday night our time. I'm happy to provide my credentials to the Admins and Moderators if necessary.

Unlike the STID premiere (where there were well over a thousand fans filling up two entire cinemas), it's unlikely that full spoilers of the film will leak from this screening. I will NOT be spoiling the film on this forum, but I will answer questions in a separate thread to the best of my ability without actually ruining the surprise. Hopefully I can assuage any concerns some of you may have, and excite some of you that little bit more for the general release in a couple of weeks.
 
yeah but Bones doesn't even know what happened between them, he likely assumes it's something Spock must have done because of his prejudice and bias against him ^ (regardless if one wants to see more in that and thus call it xenophobia or other words)

It's not really xenophobic to think someone's got a stick up their arse. Especially when they do :p
 
Which I really don't understand. I thought it was a great trailer for the action-adventure crowd.

I think it was because of sabotage and it was used in Trek 09. Lots of people hate JJ trek and I think it angered the fan base that had been told this was supposed to be different.
 
This is my first post (with this account) - I'm fortunate enough to be one of the 30 winners of double passes to the Sydney world premiere on Thursday night our time. I'm happy to provide my credentials to the Admins and Moderators if necessary.

Unlike the STID premiere (where there were well over a thousand fans filling up two entire cinemas), it's unlikely that full spoilers of the film will leak from this screening. I will NOT be spoiling the film on this forum, but I will answer questions in a separate thread to the best of my ability without actually ruining the surprise. Hopefully I can assuage any concerns some of you may have, and excite some of you that little bit more for the general release in a couple of weeks.
Welcome!

Since opinions often tend to be quite subjective, have you watched any previous Trek and do you have any favourites? What are your thoughts on the reboot films?

I'd just like to get to know a bit about your taste before hearing your thoughts on Beyond. I imagine a review coming from someone who loves the reboot films will be largely different from someone who has a burning hatred for them.
 
yeah but Bones doesn't even know what happened between them, he likely assumes it's something Spock must have done because of his prejudice and bias against him ^ (regardless if one wants to see more in that and thus call it xenophobia or other words)
Maybe because Bones and Spock are friends and Bones has lived in close proximity with Spock and Uhura and knows how their prior arguments and issues have gone? A ship is like a small community with no secrets, so Spock and Uhura's relationship would be part of the scuttlebutt of the crew.

Maybe he doesn't actually know or care if Spock is responsible and is just busting his chops, as friends often do? I've told friends "What'd you do?" when they were in the doghouse numerous times, because I know they can be oblivious when they're behaving like a dumbass sometimes. Their ethnicity had nothing to do with it.

And I'm not saying xenophobia is something that is beyond Bones... it's not; albeit it's usually exaggerated for effect on others rather than how he seriously feels. Just that there's no indication of it in this specific instance.

it's funny that Bones, of all the people, said that since he's divorced and it seems like he's still single?
say what you want about Spock, but he's the one who is keeping a relationship since years. Maybe Bones should ask HIM some advice :lol:

Or maybe Bones, having experienced a breakup of a long term relationship himself, recognizes the mistakes he made in Spock's prior handling of his relationship with Uhura?

seriously? that was one of the smallest posts I ever wrote here :lol:
Is there a characters limit and I didn't know?
Paragraph breaks are your friend.
 
I'd just like to get to know a bit about your taste before hearing your thoughts on Beyond. I imagine a review coming from someone who loves the reboot films will be largely different from someone who has a burning hatred for them.

I very much enjoyed the reboot films, but I've enjoyed the original films as well. Star Trek XI is at the top of my list of favourites, followed by Star Trek VIII. Although I'm not a particularly active fan nowadays (too busy), in my youth I've seen every episode from each of the Star Trek series, occasionally watch random episodes nowadays, and am still capable of holding my own if presented with obscure Trek trivia.

As I said, I won't be spoiling the film - but I will give my honest thoughts and opinions based not only on how it stands up as a standalone film, but also how "true" it is to other Star Trek productions. I realise that there are many of you who have reservations about what to expect - hopefully come Thursday I'll be able to report that your concerns aren't founded.
 
Welcome!

Since opinions often tend to be quite subjective, have you watched any previous Trek and do you have any favourites? What are your thoughts on the reboot films?

I'd just like to get to know a bit about your taste before hearing your thoughts on Beyond. I imagine a review coming from someone who loves the reboot films will be largely different from someone who has a burning hatred for them.
AndyPandy hasn't even seen the movie yet, and is already being asked to complete a checklist? :lol:
 
Maybe because Bones and Spock are friends and Bones has lived in close proximity with Spock and Uhura and knows how their prior arguments and issues have gone? A ship is like a small community with no secrets, so Spock and Uhura's relationship would be part of the scuttlebutt of the crew.

Maybe he doesn't actually know or care if Spock is responsible and is just busting his chops, as friends often do? I've told friends "What'd you do?" when they were in the doghouse numerous times, because I know they can be oblivious when they're behaving like a dumbass sometimes. Their ethnicity had nothing to do with it.

And I'm not saying xenophobia is something that is beyond Bones... it's not; albeit it's usually exaggerated for effect on others rather than how he seriously feels. Just that there's no indication of it in this specific instance.



Or maybe Bones, having experienced a breakup of a long term relationship himself, recognizes the mistakes he made in Spock's prior handling of his relationship with Uhura?


Paragraph breaks are your friend.
Apparently, friendly banter = xenophobia :lol:

Smells like Tumblr in here.

I very much enjoyed the reboot films, but I've enjoyed the original films as well. Star Trek XI is at the top of my list of favourites, followed by Star Trek VIII. Although I'm not a particularly active fan nowadays (too busy), in my youth I've seen every episode from each of the Star Trek series, occasionally watch random episodes nowadays, and am still capable of holding my own if presented with obscure Trek trivia.

As I said, I won't be spoiling the film - but I will give my honest thoughts and opinions based not only on how it stands up as a standalone film, but also how "true" it is to other Star Trek productions. I realise that there are many of you who have reservations about what to expect - hopefully come Thursday I'll be able to report that your concerns aren't founded.
Cool, thanks!

I'm super jelly you get to see it on Thursday. Have fun!

AndyPandy hasn't even seen the movie yet, and is already being asked to complete a checklist? :lol:
If a couple questions = checklist, then sure, what's wrong with that?
 
My reading: Bones is simply observing his friends / colleagues, and it prolly resonates on some level of his own past relationship.

A wry smile from a strong-feeling, world-weary doctor - who has seen a lot of his life.

And certainly: no xenophobia whatsoever!
 
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Maybe because Bones and Spock are friends

You guys keep saying that but in these movies they are never showed being friends and perhaps, as the cast suggests, this should be the movie where they at least develop a mutual understanding of each other.


Are you sure you aren't all projecting tos on these characters?
From that clip alone and all the scenes these two have in the movies, I honestly don't think that the people I read who think that Bones is just being a jerk with Spock are more unfounded in that interpretation than those who justify him calling him the friend.
The flaw in this argument is also maybe assuming that the characters are infallible without taking into consideration that maybe this is a scene from the beginning that will help conveying the whole character development thing the moment you see, in the end, Bones acting, maybe, differently.

and Bones has lived in close proximity with Spock and Uhura and knows how their prior arguments and issues have gone? A ship is like a small community with no secrets, so Spock and Uhura's relationship would be part of the scuttlebutt of the crew.
Plausible, but it goes both ways: if he knows them he should maybe also know how much they mean to each other and thus how gratuitous it's for him to make that comment right when Spock possibly feels like shit.

Lots of assumptions here, anyway.

Maybe he doesn't actually know or care if Spock is responsible and is just busting his chops, as friends often do? I've told friends "What'd you do?" when they were in the doghouse numerous times, because I know they can be oblivious when they're behaving like a dumbass sometimes. Their ethnicity had nothing to do with it.

Personally, I'm the kind of friend who knows when a joke is appropriate and when it's not. If my friend's significant other JUST broke up with them and it's plausible they feel like shit, the least thing I'd do is making fun of them or be like 'it's totally your fault! Sucks to be you'



Or maybe Bones, having experienced a breakup of a long term relationship himself, recognizes the mistakes he made in Spock's prior handling of his relationship with Uhura?
You are creating a subplot for s/u and Spock that we didn't even see (for all we know, maybe they are a lovely quiet couple that rarely argues and Spock is a decent dude who treats her well etc) to justify Bones. Why can't the explanation be more simple and just about how HE is in that scene, the actual thing we saw and we are judging, rather than speculate about how Spock possibly acts off screen?

Mistakes Spock made? Like really, we only have what happened in stid (when he possibly had PTSD) and Kirk was the one who knew, anyway.

Eta: could the fact Bones has a divorce in his past mean that maybe he is projecting HIS own mistakes onto others?
In that case, still, his scene says more about HIM than Spock.


Paragraph breaks are your friend.

Idk, I just wanted to try something different.. :P
 
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McCoy is not just the ship's physician, he is also the Chief Medical Officer. That means he needs to keep his finger on the pulse of the physical and emotional well-being of the crew, and especially of the Command staff. He is required to make it his business to be aware of any personal conflicts any of them may be experiencing. If he chooses to make those assessments disguised as 'teasing' inquiries that are not intrusive then he's just doing his job.
 
Are you sure you aren't all projecting...?

From that clip alone...

unfounded in that interpretation...

The flaw in this argument is also maybe assuming...

Lots of assumptions here, anyway.

You are creating a subplot that we didn't even see...

Why can't the explanation be more simple and just about how HE is in that scene, the actual thing we saw and we are judging, rather than speculate...?

projecting... onto others?
I... can't even. You made an entire argument about xenophobia based on absolutely nothing in the clip to support it, and now you're talking about unfounded interpretations, assumptions, creating subplots, preferring simplified explanations, and projecting (all things you did) because I offered up possible alternatives to you immediately and baselessly jumping to a worst case scenario? I wasn't the one making wild and needlessly complicated assumptions about his motives, you were. As McCoy's friends would say to him (and then probably be accused of xenophobia for no coherent reason): Physician, heal thyself.

If you ask someone how many lights they see, you can debate whether there are four lights or five lights, but it's harder to debate when they say they see fish. There has to be some connection to at least semi-reality (even in a fake universe) to act as a framework for discussion. You're just pulling stuff out of the aether.
 
This is my first post (with this account) - I'm fortunate enough to be one of the 30 winners of double passes to the Sydney world premiere on Thursday night our time. I'm happy to provide my credentials to the Admins and Moderators if necessary.

Unlike the STID premiere (where there were well over a thousand fans filling up two entire cinemas), it's unlikely that full spoilers of the film will leak from this screening. I will NOT be spoiling the film on this forum, but I will answer questions in a separate thread to the best of my ability without actually ruining the surprise. Hopefully I can assuage any concerns some of you may have, and excite some of you that little bit more for the general release in a couple of weeks.

I read that you guys have a reviews embargo?
Btw, do you have any idea how envious I'm??? xD it's really not fair Australia gets the movie so soon *pouts*
 
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