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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

I don't expect Star Trek Beyond to be better than The Great Escape, but I honestly don't know yet since I haven't seen Beyond.
Yes, and I've said that as well. In my post you've quoted, I used the word 'trailer' specifically for that reason.
 
I am good with the motorcycle. From my reading of history, once a vehicle design has come to be accepted and is used commonly, it will stay in operation for a very long time. There wil be changes in what powers the vehicle and what features the vehicle will have; however, the basic design will stay the same. Examples - trains, airplanes.

I am iffy about the design of Starbase Yorktown. For example, I see the Enterprise traveling down a tube into the starbase. How is the ship's heading changed at the station? Or is the ship transported to another tube, so that it is one continous action? Maybe I will like it more when I see in the theater.
 
The new trailer is pretty good, but it seems the visual effects haven't improved much since 2009. It still looks quite CGI and there's no real "wow" factor. What bothers me in STID and the Beyond trailer is the overexposure of buildings/objects and the overuse of bloom, depth of field and motion blur. I just want sharp detailed models with natural lighting and colors, that's all.

In fact, I think Enterprise looked the best in 2009:
http://www.clickonline.com/images/metadata/2014/181/large/fihppx6dma2ut9zpy2jxpdfq1lp.jpg-large.jpg

Shots from STID and Beyond:
http://scifiempire.net/wordpress/wp...The-Enterprise-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness.png
http://mymoviewallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Star-Trek-Beyond-Movie-Wallpaper-09.jpg
 
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I am good with the motorcycle. From my reading of history, once a vehicle design has come to be accepted and is used commonly, it will stay in operation for a very long time. There wil be changes in what powers the vehicle and what features the vehicle will have; however, the basic design will stay the same. Examples - trains, airplanes.

I am iffy about the design of Starbase Yorktown. For example, I see the Enterprise traveling down a tube into the starbase. How is the ship's heading changed at the station? Or is the ship transported to another tube, so that it is one continous action? Maybe I will like it more when I see in the theater.
Heads in, backs out, sets course? :shrug:
 
If you're referring to me I never saw your previous post, and my answer is: how about no?

There are plenty of reasons to post them, not least of which is the original comparison I've posted to show people how much of change in perception a popular trailer makes when the movie is going to be edited exactly the same. So there's your context to start with.. and the magnitude of the difference is also enlightening, particularly with the likes and dislikes, which some posters here were making an issue of recently.

The other comparison is the raw numbers with the previous trailer..which from what I understand, those 1st trailers tend to be the most viewed, but it's a good way to get an idea of how popular the trailer is with recent movies as well as Trek. I've posted all this info before.

Another reason is because lots of fans like to know. We keep a running tally of box office grosses when the movies come out, so the trailer views might help gauge the interest for it.

I'm sure there are other reasons, but I don't plan on stopping the occasional trailer count. I'm afraid you'll have to hide your eyes if it's offensive. That's life.

RAMA




Thank god you read my arguments and gave an intelligent counter-point :rolleyes:

I have nothing against "view counts" with a bit of information/argument around them (how many views compared to other movies?/how many more in the last few days?).

But regularly dumping this thread with meaningless numbers ist just annoying.
 
If you're referring to me I never saw your previous post, and my answer is: how about no?

There are plenty of reasons to post them, not least of which is the original comparison I've posted to show people how much of change in perception a popular trailer makes when the movie is going to be edited exactly the same. So there's your context to start with.. and the magnitude of the difference is also enlightening, particularly with the likes and dislikes, which some posters here were making an issue of recently.

The other comparison is the raw numbers with the previous trailer..which from what I understand, those 1st trailers tend to be the most viewed, but it's a good way to get an idea of how popular the trailer is with recent movies as well as Trek. I've posted all this info before.

Another reason is because lots of fans like to know. We keep a running tally of box office grosses when the movies come out, so the trailer views might help gauge the interest for it.

I'm sure there are other reasons, but I don't plan on stopping the occasional trailer count. I'm afraid you'll have to hide your eyes if it's offensive. That's life.

RAMA
Thanks for posting the trailer likes / dislikes. I think given the Ghostbusters trailer, it's quite important to see if Trek was hitting the mark. The numbers are very positive. Even some Trek purists are saying how much they loved the trailer.
 
Thanks for posting the trailer likes / dislikes. I think given the Ghostbusters trailer, it's quite important to see if Trek was hitting the mark. The numbers are very positive. Even some Trek purists are saying how much they loved the trailer.

More importantly, virtually every media outlet is on the STB bandwagon saying the 2nd trailer hits the mark.

I think a lot of people underestimate the effect JL will have on the box-office numbers, particularly in Asia and for the all important opening weekend in North America.
 
I made a couple of wallpapers from the latest poster in case anyone wants to use them:

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If you read my original post again about The Nemesis Effect and paranoia about the action reputation of director Justin Lin, you'll see I have no argument with you; it was simply an objective evaluation of the concern - characterized as paranoia. Let the action be organic instead of artificially inserted for its own sake. Since we have not yet seen Star Trek Beyond, we cannot make a judgement. But there will be speculative paranoia involved until then. Because Nemesis, Lin.

('Omage' is not in the scrabble dictionary, nor others, btw, that I can find. It's 'homage.' But fancy people say "omage" for some reason).
Yep, it's a fancy French word.

If there is an insult, I would think it comes from the impression that Paramount is pandering to a demographic of lesser intellect. I don't think it's about the motorcycle, really.
But, Abrams Trek already has that stigma attached to it. It's frustrating to me that apparently the argument goes something along the lines "Lin=action. Mortocyle=action. Action in Star Trek=bad, therefore Lin=bad."

Again, I'm sure I'm missing something or maybe I'm willing to cut Lin some slack. It's just poor logic and frustrating argumentation.
 
The new trailer is pretty good, but it seems the visual effects haven't improved much since 2009. It still looks quite CGI and there's no real "wow" factor. What bothers me in STID and the Beyond trailer is the overexposure of buildings/objects and the overuse of bloom, depth of field and motion blur. I just want sharp detailed models with natural lighting and colors, that's all.

In fact, I think Enterprise looked the best in 2009:
http://www.clickonline.com/images/metadata/2014/181/large/fihppx6dma2ut9zpy2jxpdfq1lp.jpg-large.jpg

Shots from STID and Beyond:
http://scifiempire.net/wordpress/wp...The-Enterprise-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness.png
http://mymoviewallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Star-Trek-Beyond-Movie-Wallpaper-09.jpg

I think the Starbase Yorktown foggy city shots you posted above look a hundred times better than the amorphous mass of monolithic 50 Shades of Gray buildings encased in a Phish concert haze that was downtown San Franciscoruscant in ST09. :shrug:

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Or the fact that it looks like someone dialed the transparency filter up to eleven on the background buildings:

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And IMO the warp effects of the Enterprise get much better and more experimental with each film.
 
I like the new crisp look of the special effects.

This of course brings up the question, just exactly what is the current budget?

It was (I believe) $150m but was that before the cast got their much publicised pay rise?

Given the scope of the movie that we've just seen in the 2nd trailer, can it still be made for $150m?

Surely it'll be around $170m by now?

(Not counting rebates from Canada & British Columbia of course).

If they spent say $40m (??) on sets, on location filming and local cast/crew; they'd get about $20m back so that does kinda bring the actual expenditure back to $150m!
 
Is this just another fan poster? It looks a bit amateurish to me: Kirk and Jayal's awkward poses, the odd placement of the title, the motorbike insert.

The new trailer is pretty good, but it seems the visual effects haven't improved much since 2009. It still looks quite CGI and there's no real "wow" factor.
Surely the Swarm bombarding the deflector dish was a real "wow" moment?

Indeed, and scoring the film is different from starting from scratch. He's been writing the music for it since at least March.
Yep. From the tweeted pic, I think it's pretty clear he means recording starts today, not that he starts writing the music today. They should be able to record the whole score in under a week.
This means the visual edit is basically done. Now they will be concentrating on the sound.

Maybe I'm remembering a different terrible film with Ron Perlman dressed up as Space Dracula, but I honestly don't recall a lot of action in Nemesis. Especially compared to First Contact, or hell, even Insurrection.
Yes, this is one of those "fan truths" which may be at variance with actual fact. There were three big action sequences (dune buggy chase, Picard escaping the Romulan ship in a mini-fighter, the big battle at the end) but NEM was actually quite a talky movie. Lots of serious discussion about fulfilling one's potential, aspiring to be better, the hand that fate deals us, etc. I like NEM.
 
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I haven't been able to find it on an official site, but then Paramount seems a bit lax about these things. The page you link to also shows the two previous posters, both of which I prefer to the new one. Maybe it's just an iffy (official) poster.
I didn't find it on the Paramount site, either, but it does appear on Skydance Productions' page for Star Trek Beyond:

http://skydancemedia.com/film/star-trek-beyond/
 
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