Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[Christopher]

It's interesting that Pegg decided to go with using the Yorktown here, given that ship's history as sort of a background precursor to the Enterprise-A. Could be a bit of foreshadowing to a possible replacement for the Enterprise after it gets torn apart and crashes (obviously renamed Enterprise).

What you need to keep in mind is that the Yorktown was going to be the name of the starship in Roddenberry's original 1964 proposal for Star Trek, before he changed it to Enterprise. The "precursor to the Enterprise-A" claim in the ST Encyclopedia is just an homage to that fact. So, no, I'd say "Starbase Yorktown" has nothing to do with the E-A. They're two parallel references to the same bit of Trek prehistory.

And they're very, very far from being the only such homages. There was a fan film George Takei did in the '80s called Yorktown II: A Time to Heal. (It was never released, but there's actually a team working on finishing it now, and there's a long-running thread about it in the Fan Films forum.) John Byrne's IDW Trek comics show the former Number One (from "The Cage") as the commander of the Yorktown. And so on.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

It's interesting that Pegg decided to go with using the Yorktown here, given that ship's history as sort of a background precursor to the Enterprise-A. Could be a bit of foreshadowing to a possible replacement for the Enterprise after it gets torn apart and crashes (obviously renamed Enterprise).

What you need to keep in mind is that the Yorktown was going to be the name of the starship in Roddenberry's original 1964 proposal for Star Trek, before he changed it to Enterprise. The "precursor to the Enterprise-A" claim in the ST Encyclopedia is just an homage to that fact. So, no, I'd say "Starbase Yorktown" has nothing to do with the E-A. They're two parallel references to the same bit of Trek prehistory.

Yes, amazingly that bit of info was also on the Memory Alpha page I linked to, right in the preceding paragraph and everything.

Considering I was specifically referencing a sort of symmetry between destroyed ships and their replacements in the third and fourth films of their respective series, I'm gonna stick with my original idea of it possibly being a reference to that, longshot though it may be.

 

[Christopher]

I don't see it. If they wanted to use Yorktown as the name of the ship that would replace the Enterprise, they wouldn't confuse the issue by also using it as the name of the starbase featured in the movie.

Besides, that bit about the Yorktown being the E-A precursor is not canon. It's just a conjecture from the Encyclopedia. There have been other suggested names for the ship that was renamed as the E-A, like the Ti-Ho according to Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise and the Atlantis according to FASA's RPG. So it's not like it's some universally accepted truth.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Besides, that bit about the Yorktown being the E-A precursor is not canon. It's just a conjecture from the Encyclopedia...

So it's not like it's some universally accepted truth.

Where did I say anything about this being canon or a "universally accepted truth" or made any claim to this being some official explanation for the name and not just a bit of offhand pie in the sky speculation by me?

I'm pretty sure Simon Pegg has access to Memory Alpha and Trek reference materials like everyone else, and he's just nerdy enough to be the kind of person to read it. So, as a silly little exercise, I wondered if there might be some symmetry between the use of Yorktown here and the conjectural original name for the Enterprise-A, given that this film also features the seeming destruction of the Enterprise.

Little did I know that I should have prepared for a cross-examination of my random brainfart and backed everything up with the almighty CANON evidence, lest the writer of non-canon Star Trek fiction strangely deem it unworthy of discussion all of a sudden.

 

[Christopher]

Besides, that bit about the Yorktown being the E-A precursor is not canon. It's just a conjecture from the Encyclopedia...

So it's not like it's some universally accepted truth.

Where did I say anything about this being canon or a "universally accepted truth" or made any claim to this being some official explanation for the name and not just a bit of offhand pie in the sky speculation by me?

I just meant that there's no guarantee that the filmmakers are aware of the conjecture or would choose to acknowledge that particular one as opposed to one of the alternatives. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'm pretty sure Simon Pegg has access to Memory Alpha and Trek reference materials like everyone else, and he's just nerdy enough to be the kind of person to read it.

In the Pegg interview posted earlier today (another thread), he indeed mentions that he and Doug Jung went to Memory Alpha for a lot of background info for the new script. Amusingly, he says they just contacted the MA guys with a question about "an item", and they supplied all the info (and they'll be credited in the film). So, maybe he's not that up on web searches...

 

[Kor]

^ My understanding was that Pegg asked the MA guys to name a particular item that was created for this movie, based on their vast understanding of Trek background information.

Kor

 

[eyeresist]

I wanted Carol to stick around. It was cool to have a new main character

I do agree with you it's nice to have a new main character, but it shouldn't be someone with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Why not blonde hair and blue eyes? Are you prejudiced?

(The other characters have dark hair. Only Pine has blue eyes.)

 

[Trekkin]

Well there was Kirk's (dead/absent) parents. Other than that, nada.

TOS on the other hand, loved blondes. The bigger the hair, the better!

 

[Amaris]

Posted by MLB:
So what does the Yorktown itself have to do with all this? Is that another ship we're going to see crash?

It's interesting that Pegg decided to go with using the Yorktown here, given that ship's history as sort of a background precursor to the Enterprise-A. Could be a bit of foreshadowing to a possible replacement for the Enterprise after it gets torn apart and crashes (obviously renamed Enterprise).

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Yorktown_(23rd_century)

Makes sense to me. Simon Pegg, being the Trek nerd that he is, could have read up on it and decided it was a good idea, either as a homage to Roddenberry's initial name for the Enterprise, or just as another piece of connecting history between the movie and the original series. Either way, I love the notion.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

So, maybe he's not that up on web searches...

.... Or, maybe he thought he would actually employ the expertise of the experts.

^ My understanding was that Pegg asked the MA guys to name a particular item that was created for this movie, based on their vast understanding of Trek background information.

Kor

Yeah, that.

 

[Malaika]

anyone posted these yet?
Dubai Media Office released some pictures from Star Trek Beyond’s shoot in Dubai

https://twitter.com/Brand_Dubai

they might be a bit spoiler, you can see the new duty uniforms better too

everyone thought that Zoe Saldana wasn't even there (in fact it seems it was kept as a secret even by her, I think she was the only one who didn't make any post about Dubai )

 

[M'Sharak]

The scene they're shooting in the last photo is one we saw back in October from a different angle.

 

[shapeshifter]

I usually don't get excited about uniforms, or clothing in general for any show or film, but seeing the textured tunics dropped has put a big smile on my face.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The scene they're shooting in the last photo is one we saw back in October from a different angle.

Unlikely, since in the original version of that photo, the two people are on opposite sides of the table. In the more recent one, they're on the same side.

 

[M'Sharak]

Unlikely, since in the original version of that photo, the two people are on opposite sides of the table. In the more recent one, they're on the same side.

What, the characters have their feet nailed to the floor for an entire scene?

Characters can and do walk around, over the course of a scene; what begins with two people on opposite sides of a table (or opposite ends of a room, or even in different rooms altogether) can end with both standing next to each other. Cameras move, too. Different parts of a scene can be and frequently are shot from different angles.

Could those be two completely separate scenes? I'll concede that it's possible, but I'm guessing that that setting appears in the movie only once. Besides all that, what I meant was that both pics show what I believe to be the same scene being filmed, not that the same exact moment within the scene was depicted from different angles.

Better?

 

[Kor]

The way they are using a real-life modern-design location to represent a futuristic base reminds me of "Operation: Annihiliate."

Kor

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What, the characters have their feet nailed to the floor for an entire scene?

Characters can and do walk around, over the course of a scene;

You said photo, not scene.

 

[OpenMaw]

What, the characters have their feet nailed to the floor for an entire scene?

Characters can and do walk around, over the course of a scene;

You said photo, not scene.

No, he said scene. He said the photo is of the same scene we saw last October.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Very well. I apologize for the misunderstanding.