Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[Franklin]

I wish I could remember where I read this, it was years ago, but the assertion was that by the 23rd century in "Star Trek", travel on Earth and cross-cultural interactions would make the world so small that it would be a very homogenized planet. Accents and dialects would be fading away and eventually die out.

Except that as humans colonized other planets, they'd presumably develop new planetary accents. ST missed an opportunity -- they could've said, for instance, that Chekov came from a planet that was settled mainly by Russians.

I'm not convinced, though, that regular interaction and travel would cause regional accents to die out. You can find various different accents within a single city, where people who interact every day still speak differently from each other -- for instance, all the various gradations of London accents, from posh to Cockney and everywhere in between. Granted, there's a degree of class division underlying that, but there's more behind the existence of different accents than simply a lack of travel or interaction. There would certainly be more overlap of accents and cultures in an Earth united by transporters and high-speed shuttles, but certainly not to the point of complete homogeneity (and certainly not to the point of the uniform Americanized culture that Trek depicts).

Neat idea about what I guess would be "colonial accents" that came from colonization.

As far as "city" accents go, you're right. Even here in the DC area, you can still tell a native of Washington from someone who moved here or was brought up in the suburbs. It's getting hard, but you still can. That said, I honestly didn't realize how much my accent had changed over the years after living in NOVA twenty years before I went back to my home town in Iowa for an extended stay this year. I couldn't believe that's how I used to speak. It was actually "weird" to my ear. It was, you betcha.

Edited to add: I could also see colonies developing their own unique idioms.

 

[M'Sharak]

The very fact that some trekkies will expend so much energy worrying about "continuity" of eye color, accents and the like exemplifies the many reasons that Paramount would be foolish to waste any time or resources trying to satisfy their expectations.

The very fact that some people will expend so much energy putting down Prime fans at every opportunity for not blindly embracing every new thing a studio tries to shove in their faces exemplifies the many reasons Prime fans get sick of NuFans.

You know, the fans whose loyalty to Trek gave you two opportunities to get a paycheck for writing for the show in the first place? (Yes, someone told me who you are. Frankly, I'm unimpressed. A professional would have more respect for the end consumer of his product wihtout whom he would not have had that job.)

Warning for trolling. Comments to PM.

 

[BillJ]

The very fact that some people will expend so much energy putting down Prime fans at every opportunity for not blindly embracing every new thing a studio tries to shove in their faces exemplifies the many reasons Prime fans get sick of NuFans.

I'm not a "Prime" fan or a "Nu", I'm a Star Trek fan.

Some of it works, some of it doesn't. But life goes on.

 

[Franklin]

I haven't seen anyone link to this in this thread, yet. Trekcore has a story and pictures of a pretty big outdoor set being built in Vancouver. Hard to say what it could be at this point. (Click on the pictures in the story to enlarge them.)

Link to Trekcore story:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/07/outdoor-star-trek-beyond-set-continues-to-grow/

 

[BillJ]

I haven't seen anyone link to this in this thread, yet. Trekcore has a story and pictures of a pretty big outdoor set being built in Vancouver. Hard to say what it could be at this point. (Click on the pictures in the story to enlarge them.)

Link to Trekcore story:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/07/outdoor-star-trek-beyond-set-continues-to-grow/

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=11224090&postcount=1044

 

[Phantom]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but it is confirmed that Beyond is actually going to be a bit of an anniversary event.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-t...s-beyond-asks-us-not-tell-you-about-it-463121

A bit of a given I suppose, but I wasn't certain if it had 'come from the horses mouth' yet. Once again, it looks like those who want them will have to work for their spoilers.

I'm firmly in the "believe it when I see it" camp. Pegg is also on record as saying that part of his mission statement was to make a "Star Trek film that is less Star Trek-ey".

EDIT: This reveals my own nitpicking here, but I do find it funny that the first comment is how the new movies 'butcher' Star Trek...only to promptly misspell 'Khan'.

And then go on to put down Old School fans as being "whiney" and supporting Pegg's rant against them.

Or Troi's changing from her actress version of Israeli (based on her appearence in NCIS anyway) to her more natural British.

Sirtis's original Troi accent was a hybrid of her parents' Greek accent and her own English accent. And her later Troi accent wasn't her natural accent either; it was much more "posh," as they say in England, more a refined upper-class accent than her own. Also, the more time she spent living in the US, the more her real accent became Americanized.

She also does a pretty good Russian accent.

 

[Franklin]

I haven't seen anyone link to this in this thread, yet. Trekcore has a story and pictures of a pretty big outdoor set being built in Vancouver. Hard to say what it could be at this point. (Click on the pictures in the story to enlarge them.)

Link to Trekcore story:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/07/outdoor-star-trek-beyond-set-continues-to-grow/

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=11224090&postcount=1044

Doh! Missed it by about 40 posts.

 

[BillJ]

And then go on to put down Old School fans as being "whiney" and supporting Pegg's rant against them.

I think after seven years of having something they like disparaged by "Old School fans" (the favorite being the movie is lowest common denominator trash), there are people who are simply tired of "Old School fans" shit.

 

[M'Sharak]

Again, we're here to talk about the movies and things related thereto, not to label and criticize specific subgroups of fans. We're all fans of Star Trek, right?

 

[BillJ]

I haven't seen anyone link to this in this thread, yet. Trekcore has a story and pictures of a pretty big outdoor set being built in Vancouver. Hard to say what it could be at this point. (Click on the pictures in the story to enlarge them.)

Link to Trekcore story:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/07/outdoor-star-trek-beyond-set-continues-to-grow/

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=11224090&postcount=1044

Doh! Missed it by about 40 posts.

I'm thinking it is some type of downed ship.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Hey, I posted it first. Not that anyone reads my posts

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I wish I could remember where I read this, it was years ago, but the assertion was that by the 23rd century in "Star Trek", travel on Earth and cross-cultural interactions would make the world so small that it would be a very homogenized planet. Accents and dialects would be fading away and eventually die out.

Except that as humans colonized other planets, they'd presumably develop new planetary accents. ST missed an opportunity -- they could've said, for instance, that Chekov came from a planet that was settled mainly by Russians.

They play around with that in the "Expanse" novels. There's something called a "Martian Drawl" that is basically a Chinese spoken with a thick Texas accent. And the belter accent is so thick you have to be fluent in three different languages just to understand what the hell they're talking about.

 

[Franklin]

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=11224090&postcount=1044

Doh! Missed it by about 40 posts.

I'm thinking it is some type of downed ship.

I dunno. In the picture with the large crane and the one before it, the area in the bottom left looks like the part featured in the first close up. Looks like by then, all that bent plywood has been covered with dirt. Still, from the look of the trees, something bad happened there. Perhaps wreckage will be added later.

Hey, I posted it first. Not that anyone reads my posts

Hey! Aren't you the guy with the countdown thread?

 

[Mach5]

The very fact that some people will expend so much energy putting down Prime fans at every opportunity for not blindly embracing every new thing a studio tries to shove in their faces exemplifies the many reasons Prime fans get sick of NuFans.

I'm not a "Prime" fan or a "Nu", I'm a Star Trek fan.

Some of it works, some of it doesn't. But life goes on.

+1

nuTrek expanded the already vast universe, and it did it in a nice, imaginative way. Fans who dislike it have the right to reject it, but they most certainly don't have a right to be hostile. This goes both ways.

There will always be Prime-Trek purists, I don't mind them, and neither should the rest of you. Lets all get along and shit.

 

[Trekkin]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but it is confirmed that Beyond is actually going to be a bit of an anniversary event.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-t...s-beyond-asks-us-not-tell-you-about-it-463121

A bit of a given I suppose, but I wasn't certain if it had 'come from the horses mouth' yet. Once again, it looks like those who want them will have to work for their spoilers.

I'm firmly in the "believe it when I see it" camp. Pegg is also on record as saying that part of his mission statement was to make a "Star Trek film that is less Star Trek-ey".

EDIT: This reveals my own nitpicking here, but I do find it funny that the first comment is how the new movies 'butcher' Star Trek...only to promptly misspell 'Khan'.

And then go on to put down Old School fans as being "whiney" and supporting Pegg's rant against them.

Nope, that implies a degree of personal maliciousness that doesn't exist. I also found it funny when someone pointed out that I wrote a review containing the gem 'Oh god, EL James doesn't know how to use comma's. Her punctuation blows!'

That's not the same thing as attacking someone's intelligence or saying it negates their arguement, it's just acknowledging that the common phenomena known as the 'brain fart' is funny when it's immortalised and shared with everyone on the Internet.

And yes, using phrases like 'he's butchered the franchise' is moaning hyperbole, especially when the article isn't a review nor about STID. 'Sorry, not excited. I don't like these movies' in itself wasn't whiney.

I'm part of that group Peggs talking about (as is most of the Western world at this point. Those Marvel movies don't consistently make their billions on the niche dollar) and I don't give a crap one way or the other. He was simply musing about a trend, and that falls firmly on my 'whatever' pile. When he starts trying to ban movies for brainwashing youth, let me know.

Since there's no Trek news today (so far), here's something tangentially related - Apparently Pine is up for Steve Trevor in Wonder Woman.

http://www.latinopost.com/articles/...ve-trevor-is-he-more-than-a-love-interest.htm

It's due for 2017, so Pine's gonna be a busy boy in the next few months.

 

[F. King Daniel]

FIRST SPY CAM PICS!! http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/star-trek-beyond-spy-shots-justin-lin-new-alien-construction/
With that wig, Sophia Boutella looks like one of the aliens from "The Apple"
The other alien looks a bit like a Nibiru... Nibiruan? Niburan? From the Into Darkness opening.

 

[Trekkin]

They remind me of design for the Dark Elves from Thor 2.

http://marvel-movies.wikia.com/wiki/Malekith?file=Dark_Elves_and_Malekith_TTDW.jpg

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

FIRST SPY CAM PICS!! http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/star-trek-beyond-spy-shots-justin-lin-new-alien-construction/
With that wig, Sophia Boutella looks like one of the aliens from "The Apple"
The other alien looks a bit like a Nibiru... Nibiruan? Niburan? From the Into Darkness opening.

Hehehe. Good old set spy cam pics.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Confirms my theory that the set they're building is basically a landscape for an alien planet.

It must be a pretty exotic one if they have to build one from scratch instead of just shooting on location. Or maybe they're planning to BLOW UP the planet at some point and the set is designed in such a way that huge parts of it are going to be opening up/splitting/leaping into the air like Genesis?

 

[Franklin]

FIRST SPY CAM PICS!! http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/star-trek-beyond-spy-shots-justin-lin-new-alien-construction/
With that wig, Sophia Boutella looks like one of the aliens from "The Apple"
The other alien looks a bit like a Nibiru... Nibiruan? Niburan? From the Into Darkness opening.

What a strange, new world.

White must be the "in color" for Trek aliens these days.

"The Apple". Hmm. Yes, and the huge thing they're building is Vaal! I think you've cracked it, already, King Daniel.