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British accents are very sexy!
Completely agreed!
I love women with British and Australian or even New Zealand accents.
Alice Eve (in Star Trek Into Darkness as Carol Marcus)
Emma Watson (in Harry Potter as Hermione Granger)
Lucy Lawless (Battlestar Galactica)
Lena Headey (Game of Thrones, 300)
Elizabeth Hurley (In Austin Powers as Vanessa Kensington)
Natalia Tena (In Harry Potter as Tonks, and in Game of Thrones)
Peta Wilson (La Femme Nikita)
just to name a few
Besch was born in Austria and grew up in New York.
I find it really hard to care about accents. Not when we had Patrick Stewert not even bothering for his explicitly French captain. Or Troi's changing from her actress version of Israeli (based on her appearence in NCIS anyway) to her more natural British.
Others do care, but make excuses to justify it. In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. Better a good performance with the 'wrong' accent, than an actor giving a stilted performance with a 'correct' one.
The idea of Star Trek's accents being 'accurate' is pretty silly anyway. If people are that into minutia, then they should realise that none of them are 'meant' to sound like what we're hearing (American aliens anyone?). Even without all the influx of alien influences, just based on our own history we know that the current 'British' or 'Midwestern' accents wouldn't sound the same way anymore. We don't even know where Besch character was meant to have come from, and for all we know thats a 'Lunar' accent or something.
Others do care, but make excuses to justify it. In the grand scheme of things, it's small potatoes. Better a good performance with the 'wrong' accent, than an actor giving a stilted performance with a 'correct' one.
The idea of Star Trek's accents being 'accurate' is pretty silly anyway. If people are that into minutia, then they should realise that none of them are 'meant' to sound like what we're hearing (American aliens anyone?). Even without all the influx of alien influences, just based on our own history we know that the current 'British' or 'Midwestern' accents wouldn't sound the same way anymore. We don't even know where Besch character was meant to have come from, and for all we know thats a 'Lunar' accent or something.
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Exactly. An accent is purely a geographical thing and can be changed relevantly easily based upon personal experience of a friend spending a year in Australia and coming back with twinges of the accent still prevent, even after two months of being back home.
Why Marcus' accent, or Khan's, matters, is rather small in comparison to their actual behavior in the story. If that is consistent, then the external stuff matters very little to me.
Carol's accent is explained in one of the ID deleted scenes, when Kirk assumes it's part of her "Carol Wallace" persona.. In this timeline, Daddy was stationed in London and young Carol was raised there.
The very fact that some people will expend so much energy putting down Prime fans at every opportunity for not blindly embracing every new thing a studio tries to shove in their faces exemplifies the many reasons Prime fans get sick of NuFans.
You know, the fans whose loyalty to Trek gave you two opportunities to get a paycheck for writing for the show in the first place? (Yes, someone told me who you are. Frankly, I'm unimpressed. A professional would have more respect for the end consumer of his product wihtout whom he would not have had that job.)
My wife was raised in Alabama, and you'd never know it except when she gets agitated and the accent comes back.
Some of the complaints about the Abrams films come off as silly or petty or both. People trying to justify their dislike.
Phantom - we are Prime fans. This is not a case of Prime vs Nu.
Hell, I was part of those bouts of petty bickering Dennis was mocking (both of them), and we were discussing pointless minutia that even most hardcore Trekkies don't give a flying shit about. Whilst I enjoy my fair share of pointless hang ups (it's just not the same when Khan doesn't have an accent that can inspire instantaneous orgasms), I agree that it would be absolutely ridiculous if any person in charge decided my internet whining was worthy of respect and actual attention. Every Trekkie has their own personal hang ups, and it would be creative suicide for anyone to attempt to pacify them all. Roddenberry himself said pretty much the same thing when people were moaning about the mere concept of TNG. I believe his exact words were 'If I listened to Trekkes, it would be shit!'
Finally - Dennis never mentioned his credentials, and I personally think it's ridiculous to hold any fan to a different standard just because of their job. To misquote Neil Gaimen, he (and any other writer) is not your bitch. They can create a product, and you can accept or reject it. If he was hired to write for Trek, then his 'professional' obligations were purely owed to the demands of his superiors. Throw in that he's not here in a professional capacity, and that's that.
If what he said was a personal attack on you, then report it like you would anyone else.
Hell, I was part of those bouts of petty bickering Dennis was mocking (both of them), and we were discussing pointless minutia that even most hardcore Trekkies don't give a flying shit about. Whilst I enjoy my fair share of pointless hang ups (it's just not the same when Khan doesn't have an accent that can inspire instantaneous orgasms), I agree that it would be absolutely ridiculous if any person in charge decided my internet whining was worthy of respect and actual attention. Every Trekkie has their own personal hang ups, and it would be creative suicide for anyone to attempt to pacify them all. Roddenberry himself said pretty much the same thing when people were moaning about the mere concept of TNG. I believe his exact words were 'If I listened to Trekkes, it would be shit!'
Finally - Dennis never mentioned his credentials, and I personally think it's ridiculous to hold any fan to a different standard just because of their job. To misquote Neil Gaimen, he (and any other writer) is not your bitch. They can create a product, and you can accept or reject it. If he was hired to write for Trek, then his 'professional' obligations were purely owed to the demands of his superiors. Throw in that he's not here in a professional capacity, and that's that.
If what he said was a personal attack on you, then report it like you would anyone else.
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It's not a put down to express the opinion that heeding certain advice would be a bad business decision. It would be taking things overly personally, for the one offering said advice to take that sort of feedback as a put down.
I'd argue it was Rick Berman and Michael Piller gave Dennis his opportunity.
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but it is confirmed that Beyond is actually going to be a bit of an anniversary event.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-t...s-beyond-asks-us-not-tell-you-about-it-463121
A bit of a given I suppose, but I wasn't certain if it had 'come from the horses mouth' yet. Once again, it looks like those who want them will have to work for their spoilers.
EDIT: This reveals my own nitpicking here, but I do find it funny that the first comment is how the new movies 'butcher' Star Trek...only to promptly misspell 'Khan'.
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-t...s-beyond-asks-us-not-tell-you-about-it-463121
A bit of a given I suppose, but I wasn't certain if it had 'come from the horses mouth' yet. Once again, it looks like those who want them will have to work for their spoilers.
EDIT: This reveals my own nitpicking here, but I do find it funny that the first comment is how the new movies 'butcher' Star Trek...only to promptly misspell 'Khan'.
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Sirtis's original Troi accent was a hybrid of her parents' Greek accent and her own English accent. And her later Troi accent wasn't her natural accent either; it was much more "posh," as they say in England, more a refined upper-class accent than her own. Also, the more time she spent living in the US, the more her real accent became Americanized.
Scotty and Chekov both have different accents in the new movies too, more authentic than the originals. And Spock no longer has a Boston accent. And Khan has an English accent rather than a Mexican one. (And really, why did an Indian Sikh have a Mexican accent in the first place? An English accent makes much more sense there.) Yet somehow Carol gets singled out.
Not to mention all the baritones that are now tenors and vice-versa...
This needs some updating...
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Jeez, my great uncle still has his Greek accent and I never realised the similarities between that and what Sirtis was doing. Maybe I'm used to it being mixed in with an Australian one.
To be fair, I remember people whining about Scotty's accent. Apparently it's not as authentic.
Really, there are so many accents in fantasy/SF that just don't hold up to examination. Like where some members of a given family have American accents and others have something else. In the How to Train Your Dragon franchise, the adult Viking characters have Scottish accents for some reason, but their children have American accents. Which is reminiscent of Gargoyles, about a whole clan of Scottish gargoyles, in which only one (the oldest, again) has a Scottish accent and the rest have American accents. (Never mind that they were put in suspended animation a thousand years ago and thus shouldn't even speak modern English.)
I wish I could remember where I read this, it was years ago, but the assertion was that by the 23rd century in "Star Trek", travel on Earth and cross-cultural interactions would make the world so small that it would be a very homogenized planet. Accents and dialects would be fading away and eventually die out.
In that world, Scotty's accent would be an affectation no different than if he wore a kilt. It was something he deliberately maintained to recognize and preserve his cultural past and a unique identity. I always found that an interesting assertion. It could also apply to Chekov.
In that world, Scotty's accent would be an affectation no different than if he wore a kilt. It was something he deliberately maintained to recognize and preserve his cultural past and a unique identity. I always found that an interesting assertion. It could also apply to Chekov.
Except that as humans colonized other planets, they'd presumably develop new planetary accents. ST missed an opportunity -- they could've said, for instance, that Chekov came from a planet that was settled mainly by Russians.
I'm not convinced, though, that regular interaction and travel would cause regional accents to die out. You can find various different accents within a single city, where people who interact every day still speak differently from each other -- for instance, all the various gradations of London accents, from posh to Cockney and everywhere in between. Granted, there's a degree of class division underlying that, but there's more behind the existence of different accents than simply a lack of travel or interaction. There would certainly be more overlap of accents and cultures in an Earth united by transporters and high-speed shuttles, but certainly not to the point of complete homogeneity (and certainly not to the point of the uniform Americanized culture that Trek depicts).
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